Discussion in 'Salsa' started by MadamSamba, Oct 19, 2003.
Oh but the shame of being found out! :lol:
Sorry to disappoint you, Pacion!
But a short answer to both your questions: "no". I might know your Coke commercial guy though :wink: ......plz PM me (enquiring minds yadda yadda....)!
Hi and Welcome don_svendo.
Thanks for the links. I'll be sure to have a look.
Funny you should mention these things Salsachinita. A few years back when Latin Motion was introducing the LA Style to Rueda I remember Natalie remarking how she did not like it as much as Cuban but she had to teach it as it was the new trend (or words to that effect). The whole syllabus was reworked about two or three times. Quite a few moves were dropped from the syllabus; mostly from levels 1 and 2. I think it was during this time that the numbers began dropping (only marginally). Also, my big impression was that the flashier style was being adopted too early by beginners (predominantly males). They would see the advanced students practising and then would copy the footwork (or try to I should say). From speaking with some of the girls as the circle progressed, it wasn't wholly appreciated as the guys were too busy concentrating on the flashy moves therefore getting out of time. I personally find good and bad in both styles; the only gripe I tend to have with Rueda are new students not learning the basics properly and wanting to be showy more than proficient.
Okay Ladies (and Guys with enquiring minds :wink: ) , back to work, nothing to see here :wink:
the only situations that i do rueda in is when we are couple dancing and two or three couple get together for a minute or so to play with it and separarte again either with their original partner or someone else.. and thats pretty much the way i like it..
other than that i could get bored pretty easy .. infact only a group of rueda fun loving masters could have me watching for a whole song..
the thing is i like very much going with the flow and improvisation and creation .. many rueda circles lack at least one of those.. besides it maybe fun watching a few times but then it gets to drag.. its like ok ..i know .. i know.. so whats new.. so again.. u need to be at the top of your game and very naturally playful so i enjoy it.. which is not the general case far as i've seen..
also, another important reason for not getting involved much in rueda.. is that i'd prefer to bore myself to sleep than to having to memorize all them calls :lol: .. no way.. i'm more likely to kill myself after a few names .. i honestly couldn't be bothered what move is called what.. i just dance it :lol:
Lol! Thank you, Dragon!
Actually, since I'm in Seattle now, my style has adapted to be much more LA Style than Casino.
Looks like I need to re-visit Seattle so we can keep some Cuban flavas alive 8) ........
Lol! Hey, those are my *friends* that you're talking about! :doh:
I think what often happens is that people tend to prefer dancing with those people they're most familiar with (and therefore can dance the way that they're most famliar with).
Some deal with people outside of this familiarity zone by being outright rude and snobby.
For example, using Casino as an example. If a Casino style lead tries dancing with a non-Casino follow, the arm tension will likely be "wrong" if he wanted to do more advanced moves. (actually, this applies for most advanced moves within each of the styles)
We all know how it's ok to dance at a lower level than one's optimum, but how we'd all prefer to dance at the highest level possible. In other words, it's ok to dance with someone at a lower level once-in-a-while, but it gets old if you really wanna cut loose and aren't able to all night.
I think this is one of the major causes of the dance snobbishness. Another, IMHO, would be vanity.
Actually, according Eric Freeman (aka El Cubanito), who I talked to last weekend, he says that there's a Cuban (style) scene here in Seattle. I haven't sought it out yet, but I'm sure it's there.
Spot-on there, TJ!
That's the reason why I have been making myself a bit of a guinea pig by dancing out of personal comfort zone.
If we are going to have any chance of easing the current segregation within the salsa scene, the best way to start is by opening oneself to the unfamiliar.
I think that's such a great attitude and way to go about, SC. If more of us could lead by example, rather than just be one of the sheep and being the way a lot of others are, the dance scene could and would be an even friendlier place.
I have vented about this topic more than once - and I have to say that, for the most part, people are generally nice and polite, but that they *can* be shy or even downright rude.
Sorry if I was talking about some of your friends tj, but they're really cliquy...especially the guys. I've danced with pretty much all the women in that group, but the guys aren't very social. That's cool, I have no problem with it or them...just pointing out a personal observation. :wink:
No problems, R. They've been accused of that in the past.
For a couple of them, they're actually introverts. Nice guys but not personable in the least! Quite odd for instructors - had a conversation with some former students about how that bunch of instructors are introverts.
Same could be said about the cliquey ones here in Seattle. Some may find them to be really nice and friendly. Others will think otherwise.
I will know about 50 or so rueda moves cold by the end of this year, and be able to dance them to fast tempo music!! Learnt Dame una y no le llegues, siete mordeno, setenta complicado, dedo Saboreado, dame con coca cola...yesterday and will practice them this Thursday. :banana: being part of an advanced rueda group is great!!
And speaking of advanced, what in your opinion makes an advanced rueda dancer?
I have started salsa by learning rueda. It is the easyest way IMO to learn salsa for a beginner :
you don't have to concentrate on how to lead that much since the girl already knowes the moves, she will most likely go in the right direction even if your lead is not solid.
you don't have to concentrate on what to do next, since the madre is singing the passes for you.
You don't have to be afraid of boring the life out of your partner in one song, since you wont be dancing he whole time with the same partner.
And besides, while in a circle for the class, every one can see the teacher properly, something I find less and less in congresses (I hardly take any lessons besides congress nowadays)
Now, I have fallen onto the dark side of the force (mambo) and hardly ever do cuban style. Hence no rueda.
The main reason is I got boared out of rueda because the people around us would always come and join the rueda when a few friends and myself would pop one up, and then you are stuck with a bunch of dancers that only know basic figures, and can either get stuck every 3 paterns (god, how many time did I run into the guy following me because he could not tell a "dame" from a "dame ariba"....) or get stuck with the same basic paterns all the time.
I have actually let myself be led into a few rueda lately, and since I have not done any in like 6 or 7 months, I had fun (no really, I was surprised to, probably as much as those who had never seen me dance cuban style :wink: )
The only thing is I have forgotten half (at least) the intricate stuff, and I now find myself compelled to stay basic since I dont remember the other ones !
The owner of the club I usually go to has offered me a pass for 3 month to his clubs, full access to classes and evening venues, every day, I think I am going to take that oportunity to go back to my favourit teacher and get back to some good old rueda !
This is precisely what I hate in Rueda.
I have seen voiceless rueda, and true, it looks amazing all those people doing the same things without speaking.
But I have also danced some, and man is it boaring to death !!!
Part of the fun of rueda is having someone singing the figures coming up, and voiceless rueda are just... tasteless. It is like the diet coke of rueda. Just one calory, no fun.
And the most fun I have in a rueda is when you have two "madre" singing alternatively the figures. And they try to mess each others figure by anouncing something different BEFORE the end of the first one !!
I hope I do not spam this forum by posting this rueda link at any rueda related thread but I think it is really helpful. The english version is not nearly as comprehensive as this german one: http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Tanzen:_Salsa:_Rueda_de_Casino
but everyone can join and improve it.
To me, what makes an "advanced" rueda dancer is one who doesnt slow down the circle on any consistant level...I mean, everyone messes up, even the caller....but if you can hold your own for most of the dance, then you qualify to me, thats all I need anyway...you dont have to know all the moves, but can pick them up after seeing them a few times...and if you can't get it done, you can at least keep the rhythm and pass the woman on time...of course, I dont think my rueda group does advanced stuff..perhaps intermediate moves..but there is normally little consistancy on who shows up....but when it flows, its great!
I guess I have another point of view than most of you. I LOVE rueda because of the mess it sometimes creates. :lol:
You know when you suddenly find three ladies to the left of the room without partners and a bunch of lonely guys somewhere else. It's like when you play the game children do. You have 10 children and 9 chairs. The children walks around the chairs and when the music stops everyone race to get one. :lol: :lol: :lol:
The laugher and relaxed atmosphere a rueda class creates is a great time to learn dancing. Yes everyone know what to do - as far as the calles the latest patterns. But he doesn't always do that....and then it happens....
The laughter builds trust and from trust you can go on and learn new stuff much more quick than you do when you are anxious. The commonly repeated patterns is a excellent way of rehearsing, If you fail one you succeed next. Rueda - if the circle is small enough - is also a very good time to practice small steps and to get used to the space you have at clubs. And you hearth loves the speed - it's a kind of aerobics. You dance much more at Rueda than at an ordinary class.
I have been in a intermediate Rueda class (almost advanced). I actually learned how to follow in this class – no wrong - they introduced me into this art. Most of the guys where better than me (some are real good leaders). These guys and the happy relaxed atmosphere made my Salsa progresses speeding up.
True Luc. You can learn new moves this way. Guess where I learnt el beso and beso doble? Taken from the rueda move "besito".
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