Salsa > Spins, turns and CBLs...

Discussion in 'Salsa' started by squirrel, Sep 28, 2004.

  1. tj

    tj New Member

    Whoa!!!! :shock: They *never* spin follows ccw? Now that's a significant piece of information!

    So how about teaching it, Squirrel?
     
  2. SDsalsaguy

    SDsalsaguy Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, that seems like a drastic gap... :shock:
     
  3. squirrel

    squirrel New Member

    They do aaw spins... but using the "guy spins once aaw, girl spins once aaw" move... don't know how to describe it otherwise... :(. And it is rarely a full spin, as they move around the girl to help her... :). And it is never a double spin (on 123)... :)
     
  4. azzey

    azzey Member

    The move that I do sometimes with good follows is to spin her continuously (8 or 10 spins) anti-clockwise, but with her moving in a slow circle and me following with other arm behind my back. Looks good if done right with the music, but don't like to do it often as mass-spinning is one thing everyone (including myself) complain about as NOT dancing with the music. :lol:
     
  5. squirrel

    squirrel New Member

    Yes guys here try that too... rarely succeed to do it properly though... :(
     
  6. tj

    tj New Member

    Sounds like quite a good opportunity for a local instructor...
     
  7. azzey

    azzey Member

    It requires a complement of very good leader and follower skills. You might try picking the best leader and agreeing to practice some spin technique, each giving *positive* feedback to improve each others technique. Then practice practice practice until you both look really good. That should then convince the other leaders that they need to improve their technique in order to spin you correctly. A picture is a thousand times more powerful than words.
     
  8. azzey

    azzey Member

    I attended a specialist spinning workshop which covered technique, demonstration, practice and correction on many aspects of spinning:

    Preps
    Balance/Body posture
    What to do with arms and feet/legs.
    Free spinning practice (without partner)
    Leading single/double spins in each direction with different hands.
    Following single/double spins in each direction with different hands.
    Specialist types of free spins for LA style: e.g. jack spin, reverse spins.

    Even then it takes quite a lot of practice to get good at it. Even more if you're going to teach it as you need to be sure what you're demonstrating is correct and you are able to see and correct others problems.
     
  9. azzey

    azzey Member

    Raluca - how's the spinning practice going?

    I've been practicing every day for the last 3 months and have got my spinning to the point where I can reliably spin 4 times to the left or right without dizziness. However its been very hard work and some days my spinning still degrades after 5 or ten minutes of practicing. My next challenge is to try to squeeze those 4 into the 8 beats of a moderately fast salsa track. At the moment I can manage 3 spins including the prep. Maybe if I shorten the prep.. hmm. Or getting someone to spin me! ha!
     
  10. Leah

    Leah New Member

    Azzey - great contributions on this thread, thanks! Did have a question, do you think it's desirable to eventually get to the point where you are not touching down at all with the non-spinning foot? Or would you always keep touch-downs as part of the spin? (Anyway I'd imagine it's pretty essential for more than 3 spins...)

    Oh yeah. And any tips (asides from spotting) on not getting dizzy during all that daily spinning practice???? :)
     
  11. Lucretia

    Lucretia New Member

    I agree, I'll print it out and save it for my practise.

    But how do a guy prepare the lady for a double/triple spin?
    I have danced cuban so far and have started upp linetyle/x-body this term. Sometimes I find the guys trying to spin me twice or more but since I get no sign in advance I sometimes has started up wrong kind of turn/spin.

    /luc
     
  12. squirrel

    squirrel New Member

    Azzey... the practice is going very well... I've started to understand and be able to do that spin on 567 with the prep taught by Edie the Salsa Freak!

    Still, I find it very difficult if the floor is too adherent... if I can slide easily, no problem, if not... :evil: !

    Is it normal? I think so... but does anybody else have problems spinning of bad floors?
     
  13. azzey

    azzey Member

    Depends. If the floor is sticky/rubbery it's going to be hard going. If it's wooden and generally scraped you might find it a little harder. However good technique and dance shoes (that have a spin spot on the toe) should usually overcome this. If you're finding that the floor is so adherant that your ankle is twisting/hurting then try talcum powder on your shoes first.

    Edie's prep is harder than the alternative NY style prep I described earlier. Make sure that after your 1,2 prep your third step is still 180 degrees in the direction you want to go rather than trying to turn from a standing stop as that is harder. Also try putting your arms straight out like a bird and spinning. Feel how much more momentum you have then trim it back until you have enough to make the spins comfortably.
     
  14. azzey

    azzey Member

    Congratulations by the way!
     
  15. azzey

    azzey Member

    No problemo, glad to help!

    Depends on the situation. Yes it will make the spins smoother if eventually you are able to do multiple spins only touching down at the end. This is what some of the professionals do. This is an end goal however and you probably first want to learn to do smooth multiple spins touching down as this is easier. Definitely required when the leader is not giving you enough momentum to start with anyway. This is the key - when doing multiple spins without touching down you need to build all your momentum on the first turn and then use it up on the second and third. i.e. not pumping round on the second otherwise you'll knock yourself off balance because you don't have you balancing foot to help you. At least thats what I've found myself and observed from advanced dancers. This also requires that the leader knows how to lead this well.

    Also, it is appropriate when he is leading continuous multiple spins with the same hand on the spot.

    Spins done anti-clockwise that are travelling I think you'll find it is desirable to put your balancing foot down after each spin.

    CBL spins are done differently and require you changing foot anyway.

    Er, practice! you'll find the dizziness decreases the more you practice if you practice to just above your comfort zone each time.
     
  16. azzey

    azzey Member

    While spinning if you keep your free foot skating just a whisker off the ground next to your spinning foot you'll be able to touch down whenever you need. i.e. learn eventually to do doubles/triples without touching down.
     
  17. MacMoto

    MacMoto Active Member

    With a leader who is good at leading multiple spins, I find it almost impossible to touch down -- if I try, I'd end up stopping the spin.
     
  18. azzey

    azzey Member

    Sounds like you're a spinning top now! I thought you didn't like spinning... well, we'll have to try that out soon. :wink:
     

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