Tango Argentino > Turn right more?

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by DanceMentor, Mar 17, 2016.

  1. DanceMentor

    DanceMentor Administrator

    I was just watching some Argentine Tango videos put it here at dance forums plus a few more. One thing that struck me was it seems that couples turned right more than they turned left. Do you think this might be true or is it just may be mine selections of videos that I watch tonight?
  2. newbie

    newbie Well-Known Member

    You mean, clockwise? There might be a series of small reasons.

    The embrace is either face-to-face or with a slight offset to the right, never with an offset to the left.
    The general walk along the dancefloor is counterclockwise.
    When the couple walks along the outer circle of the dancefloor (which is considered a good habit), starting a turn counterclockwise will throw the follower, for the two or three first steps, into the center of the dancefloor, where she might bump into someone (or being bumped).
    Many beginners take the habit (shame on their teacher) to start just anything from the cross (cruzada). And from the cross it's easier to turn clockwise.
  3. koinzell

    koinzell Active Member

    It's due to the asymmetric nature of the embrace. Movements toward the closed/right side are easier because, to get to her new axis and stay in front of the leader, the follower travels a shorter distance in the same amount of time compared to when she moves towards the open/left side. Same concept applies to the leader if he's doing sacadas.
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  4. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    Ha! I feel the exact opposite to the first two opinions.

    Maybe that's because I've spent so much time learning close embrace style. There, the man's view to the right can be blocked by the woman's head. A turn to the left can be initiated by the man when he simply turns his head to the left (the body follows and of course you have to sync your footwork.) Turning the head to the right is problematic when the woman's head is there.

    If you dance open, you don't have that limitation.

    I just took a look at three of my favorite videos from Buenos Aires, and I'd say they are consistent with my observations.
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  5. TomTango

    TomTango Active Member

    I think if you're doing compact, milonguero-style turns, left (CCW) is the favored side since the cross is done on that side, and back crosses don't need to pivot. If you're doing bigger turns in close embrace, where the follower is taking backwards pivots instead of backwards crosses, right (CW) is favored since the embrace lets you open more easily to that side.

    Since bigger movements are favored in performances, CW turns are probably dominant there. Socially dancing, it's nice to evenly balance the two.
  6. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member

  7. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    I'm afraid I don't agree with any of this.

    As in your case, talk of openings (or worse, open "embrace")
    is irrelevant to me, it's a real embrace or not at all.

    But a turning head doesn't lead turns in the embrace,
    the upper body does and then the motion should spiral
    down to the legs/feet which follow wherever needed.
    And I have not learned this from video but from doing.

    There is no room for a turning head, unless you fancy
    head-butting your partner!

    As an interesting aside, the very first night in BsAs I danced
    in a private dance practice room with jantango. She immediately
    changed the position and reach of my embracing right arm,
    one consequence of which was to invert the ease of turns,
    clockwise turns became the easier turn and anti-clockwise
    changed from being easy to being more difficult. It took quite
    a time to be as fluent in both directions although the asymetry
    of the embrace will always mean that giros are not exactly the
    same to execute in each rotational direction.

    I returned home 4 months later with a porteno embrace
    which was/is far better than any embrace I was ever taught
    in Europe. You cannot separate specifics and call absolutes
    in tango, everything is interdependent and that includes your body,
    your partner's body and their physical relationship.

    You clearly cannot judge connection and feeling from videos.
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  8. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member

    ^^ We certainly butt heads (no pun intended) enough that I thought it important to post this.... I agree with this entire post from JohnEm. :)
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