Ballroom Dance > Viennese Waltz vs. Slow Waltz

Discussion in 'Ballroom Dance' started by docco, Jul 10, 2014.

  1. docco

    docco Member

    Ignore the tempo, who can help me to talk about any difference between Viennese Waltz vs. Slow Waltz music? Thanks
  2. fascination

    fascination Site Moderator Staff Member

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  3. nikkitta

    nikkitta Well-Known Member

    American or International? :p (only half-joking)
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  4. docco

    docco Member

    You can not dance if you do not understand the music
  5. dancelvr

    dancelvr Well-Known Member

    Personally, I don't see a huge difference...same music.....different tempo. A waltz is 3/4 time...or I suppose it can also have a 6/8 time.

    Speed up "Vito's Waltz" to dance VW, and it would sound would slowing down a Strauss number to dance Slow Waltz.

    A piece of music is what it is. Most songs can be tweeked a bit....but, only a bit, or you lose the song. And, most modern music is not written with ballroom dancing in mind. We just find what works, and dance to it....or try to.

    That's my humble opinion.
  6. RiseNFall

    RiseNFall Well-Known Member

    If something is actually written as a VW, there is emphasis on the 2nd beat and (I assume) the 5th beat. Much of what we dance VW to doesn't have that, however.

    Pro: [first part of explanation from above]
    Me: Am I allowed to ignore that because it is over my head at the moment?
    Pro: [it was a decided "no", though I don't remember the wording; another teacher looked alarmed and moved away….]

    It stuck enough that when we were getting ready to do a VW to something I said, "hey, where's the emphasis on the 2nd beat" and that's when he explained that much of what we dance VW to was not written as a VW.
  7. docco

    docco Member

    When I were young I is taught to dance V.W. and S.W. with differrent styles. After many years of dancing, I wonder is there any difference between V.W & S.W. music that make dancers feel them different then dance different ?????

    If dance is the reflection of music emotion, and if music is no difference then dance should have no difference - the same. Is it stupid to classify it into 2 kinds?
  8. Dr Dance

    Dr Dance Well-Known Member

    You may dance VW to many modern rock songs. But there don't seem to be any rock songs that are "slow waltzes."
  9. Larinda McRaven

    Larinda McRaven Site Moderator Staff Member

    oh my.... I am a big American Style Viennese Waltz snob! VW music is hugely different. Although I don't have time to expand right now. I will be back.
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  10. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    The Viennese custom is to slightly anticipate the second beat, which conveys a faster, lighter rhythm, and also breaks of the phrase. The younger Strauss would sometimes break up the one-two-three of the melody with a one-two pattern in the accompaniment along with other rhythms, maintaining the 3/4 time while causing the dancers to dance a two-step waltz. The metronome speed for a full bar varies between 60 and 70, with the waltzes of the first Strauss often played faster than those of his sons.

    The Waltz Emperors. Wechsberg. 1973. C. Tinling & Company. pages 59–61
  11. ajiboyet

    ajiboyet Well-Known Member

    Are there any sad VWs? I can't really bring any to mind.

    Sad SWs abound...SWs can be dark...and moody...and chilling...VWs tend to be lighter and cheerier and happier.
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  12. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    WW got phrases of 8 bars or 16. SL doesn't need any.
    WW is in 6/4 whereas SW in 3/4.
    WW got a coda, SW "what is coda?"
    WW breathes the winds of chance in early 19th century, SW the depressive atmosphere at the edge of WW1.
    WW is a variant of a still free living folk dance, SW is an artificial build.
    Enough to leave it seperately?
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  13. dlliba10

    dlliba10 Well-Known Member

    Are we talking orchestral Standard VWs? Or what can be used for Smooth VWs? And by sad, do you mean in lyrics? Instrumentation? Modality (minor key)?

    If Smooth VWs, a lot of songs come to mind: "Nothing Else Matters" by Bif Naked, "You Lost Me" by Christina Aguilera, "Drip Drop" by Safura, etc.
  14. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    That's no contrastive pair. We are talking of musical character, not of dancing styles, interpretations, or the like.
  15. JudeMorrigan

    JudeMorrigan Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is. I'm fairly certain that dlliba10 was talking musical character too. Smooth viennese waltz music can be quite different from classical standard viennese waltz music in terms of character, and not simply due to the difference in tempos. Although that's obviously a major factor.
  16. dbk

    dbk Well-Known Member

    Oh god yes. Some of my favorite dance songs are am. viennese. But when they slow down a standard viennese for american... ugh, it's like a creepy offkey circus.
  17. ajiboyet

    ajiboyet Well-Known Member

    By sad, I mean in every way. But I must admit that I was thinking of only International Style.
  18. GGinrhinestones

    GGinrhinestones Well-Known Member

    The music is different. They feel completely different. To me, there are completely different characters of dance.

    Slow waltz is bittersweet. Romantic, beautiful, and a little bit sad. It's the tragic romance of an epic couple dancing together for what they know is the last time, cherishing the moment and knowing it is about to end.

    Viennese waltz is flying. It's innocent, and breathless, and completely and totally free. That said - many modern VWs have a bit more of the melancholy flavor of SW, and that isn't bad. It transforms VW into something closer to - but still different - from a SW...more of a frantic, dark kind of flight, instead of a slow and pensive romance.

    Just my $.02.
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  19. TwoRightFeet

    TwoRightFeet Active Member

    "Skin (Sarabeth)" by Rascal Flats, although you'd have to speed it up a bit -- Can't get much sadder than dying of leukemia...

    ... although there is "Funeral for my Future Children" by Anna Von Hausswolff.
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  20. Dr Dance

    Dr Dance Well-Known Member

    Dark and moody Viennese? One definitely comes to mind albeit American Viennese waltz.

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