Hey Taurus57: Come on out to Bushwhackers on a Thursday or a Saturday and we can compare notes. I don't "throw" anybody through anything. I won't even attempt to lead something if the woman's balance and momentum aren't right. Sarah was wondering why CW West Coasters have a smooth look. Based on my experience with the dancers here in Portland, I think it's because they aren't over trained and don't over analyze what they are doing. I've seen lots of women became pretty good dancers without taking lessons. When I saw you were in Beaverton, I thought about chronicaling the effect you might have on the local dance community. So come on out and I'll watch you dance. You can watch me dance. And we can talk and maybe agree to disagree. If not maybe we can do the same thing here. Be sure to read my post in the Argentine Tango section if you want more on my thinking about competition. Meanwhile, you guys go ahead and compete with each other. I'll be out dancing socially.