Angel_hi my idea of what a vals feels like is best expressed when I dance with people who come from a ballroom background; they know what a waltz is and how you move to it. In the Tango Lesson Pablo Veron and Sally Potter's vals on the banks of the Seine is full of flowing movement and turns and changes of direction. (Is this being taught anywhere?) But what I see at milongas are people treating it as just another rhythm to step to. Fine if you are in a packed milongs in BsAs; you have to adapt to the space available but in the UK there's a sort of traditional minimalism; that reduces it to small steps even where there is space aplenty. this is one example, albeit very showy, of how I think a vals should be; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Ab8LFJZBk (i tried embedding it but just got a white square.) what do you think?