Salsa > Why do people give up salsa?

Discussion in 'Salsa' started by tchaguito, Jan 24, 2005.

  1. ArtsySalsera

    ArtsySalsera New Member

    Thanks, well Ya know, I try with my emoticons. They're so cute, Lol.

    Yes and as I stated before, I've been doing that....
    dancing with good people.
    I've experienced the same thing you have and
    have found NY less snobby/cliquish.
    Also as I said before, I've been asked several times
    to perform. So I know I'm a good dancer as teachers
    and friends have complimented me on my dancing.
    Salsa isn't the first kind of
    dancing I've done. I've danced R&B all my life
    and have performed hip-hop.

    ...On my way to class. Will tune in tomorrow. :wink:
  2. borikensalsero

    borikensalsero Moderator

    OMG!!! To think I have it good, I now truly feel for you guys when you say cliquish! I didn't think it could get any worse than snobby manhattan. now where are those emoticons when you need them...
  3. africana

    africana New Member

    good to meet you too pygmalion :)
    it's good that you and Artsy are very positive (and calm ;- ), maybe one day I'll get there too. For now I consider myself more proactive than positive, ie I tend to overcompensate and overachieve inorder to be accepted at the normal/same level as other advanced dancers and to excercise more control.
    Fortunately the very thing that makes a small ignorant minority dissrepect me, my africanness, is the same quality that gives me the natural rhythm, musicality and style that others pay $$ and practice time to acquire
    That's prob a big reason why I haven't and won't quit the scene anytime soon, the music is in my blood and I'm proud of it
  4. aimerrouge

    aimerrouge New Member

    africana, pygmalion & everyone else:

    I've certainly felt the racism you've discussed in my scene as well.

    - African-American men who feel you should be grateful for the opportunity dance with them. This was especially obvious when I was very new and I noticed the guys has no problem dancing with beginner non-Black women. I, on the other hand, HAD to get good before I found regular partners.

    (I've not forgotten the offenders :evil: , not one. I just haven't figured out to do with my anger.)

    - Latinos who only wish to dance with white and asian women or latinas (any nationality, just not darker complected Black women) regardless of skill level.
  5. africana

    africana New Member

    Yep been there done that. But I find they don't matter too much these days because when you advance enough these guys are pretty much beneath your dance level and you will actually not want to dance with them unless they corner you and ask nicely, and they do ask me now (sweet revenge)

    this is prob the one area in my dance psychology where I haven't matured as much because I may be open to dancing with anyone and I'm very friendly in person, but these experiences from my first years I have never forgotten. I'm not angry as much anymore, because I have much better partners to choose from and who choose to choose me.
    But I still see it happening to other black women who are new...
  6. Pacion

    Pacion New Member

    How do you go about helping to make them feel welcomed?
  7. africana

    africana New Member

    well this issue is about the dance experience of a racial minority. So perhaps the question should be turned around?
  8. aimerrouge

    aimerrouge New Member

    My experience has been, that the women notice "something" but aren't sure about what it is. We find a quiet corner and they admit they notice a color preference but didn't want to say anything. No Black Woman likes being labled the Bitter Black Witch. Once we establish their perception is reality, I point out the color friendly fellows.

    Often, just having someone to talk to, who really understands, makes a world of difference.
  9. alemana

    alemana New Member

    wow, what a wonderful thread, and so many interesting and insightful posts...

    just wanted to register that i'm reading along with a lot of interest and respect. i am learning a lot from you all.
  10. cocodrilo

    cocodrilo New Member

    Cooking Forums, Pygmalion! Let's have some of those great African food recipes!!!! :D
  11. Pebbles

    Pebbles New Member

    I hope you don't mean it's OK to snub less advanced leaders because now you are a better dancer? That would be more than a little ironic.
  12. africana

    africana New Member

    it's really very simple: only the players get played
  13. Sagitta

    Sagitta Well-Known Member

    Good to know... :) So this relatively inexperienced dancer has a chance if he happens to be in your neck of the woods?
  14. timbafreak

    timbafreak New Member

    Wow, I thought it was just here, africana, there are some black british males like that, but I don't really come into contact with them really, as I dance cuban salsa, it's mostly Cubans I get this from.

    Yes yes yes aimerrouge, I've been there too. In fact, I now go up to these men, and asked them to dance, and they'll have that 'oh if I must' look on their face. When we start dancing, they start smiling, and then they'll usually ask me if I'm Cuban, where did I learn, I dance like I'm from Santiago blah blah blah. The dance ends, he says thanks you, and then they'l do 2 things. 1, decide that I must fancy them and give me the hard come on or 2, talk to me like a friend and NEVER ask me to dance. :roll:

    It's so sad to see though isn't it. I thought like this to at first, I didn't want to be seen as the one 'bringing race into it'.

    That what it was like when I started, maybe it still is in NY style. I try to be positive, in fact if you saw me on the dancefloor, you wouldn't think I have a care in the world, but it hurts.

    I don't think I could give up though. As someone else said, it's the scene, not the music.
  15. africana

    africana New Member

    but of course!
    I'm not evil and snubbish (that would be the easiest conclusion to make), it's just that I have learned to grow a tough exterior in order to survive a non-ideal world
  16. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    I was thinking that quitting would be inevitable, for some people. Folks get so wrapped up in salsa that at least a few burning out is bound to happen. :?
  17. danceguy

    danceguy New Member

    I think most of us do this at one time or another. :wink:
  18. cocodrilo

    cocodrilo New Member

    I am sometimes snubbed by latinos here(mostly the dance instructors) who think that I think I am better than they are, most likely stemming from where I come from. They'll ask all the pretty Japanese beginners to dacne, but snub me! :?
  19. brujo

    brujo New Member

    Yeah, except that when someone brags about 'my salsa addiction' they are not talking about the fact that they sit around digging through old Maelo CDs and comparing it to early century plena recordings, they are talking about the fact that they are physically in a crowded club until 4 in the morning trying to do cross-body leads. It's a sign of the North American illness of too much leasure time.

    Did I say that Ricans and Cubans don't live the lifestyle? No. I said that Ricans and Cubans don't go to the clubs every day. I can't think of anyone that feels, thinks or understands the music and it's roots spiritually and culturally than the Cubans, but they simply don't hang around bars. You can have Pupy blasting all day at home and live and love the music, but you are not necessarily dancing it at the clubs, or taking lessons.

    When you overdo the club scene that much, it is no longer special. It is just part of your every day routine. It's like being fed caviar every day, you don't appreciate it as much and get bored. You seriously want me to believe that you can go out to a club until 2 in the morning every night and be still be an effective UI designer? I don't buy it.
  20. ArtsySalsera

    ArtsySalsera New Member

    [​IMG] I guess I'm calm because I can only control myself. I can't do anything about other people's prejudices but I can and always have pushed myself to grow as a dancer (Believe me, I'm proactive too)[​IMG]. To think of how much I've grown as a dancer because I stuck with it is something to be proud of. I bet your natural rhythm, musicality and style is revered by them.

    :!: Carlos Santana himself said that the music comes originally from Africa and I'm sure that that's why we naturally feel akin to it. I've also read this from other sources.

    Yes, I know that other influences were mixed into it in the 30, 40's and on to become what is today known as salsa but he spoke of the original form of it coming from Africa.

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