Tango Argentino > Videos > Why Does Strictly Come Dancing Have AT?

Discussion in 'Videos' started by Me, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    I'm not sure how that'd be achievable within the SCD format? I mean, it's not realistic to change pro partners just for one dance.

    And to be fair, V&F do know AT - I've no idea how respected their titles are, but I don't believe they're making them up or anything. I'd be interested if people have a link to those championships - I Googled for them but nothing came up.

    I know what you mean, but I'd rather have something AT-esque being shown, even if it's not great, than nothing.

    FWIW, the salsa had equal problems - dodgy style, looked more like a samba sometimes, taught by people I don't respect - but, again, I preferred to see something than nothing.

    Well, I'm a bit more "benefit of the doubt" than you - but I'm just a beginner.
     
  2. Twirly

    Twirly New Member

    The UK championship was last summer in Negracha. Not many people turned up. There was a discussion on this in the tango uk mailing list recently.

    Nobody seems to be able to say what the world champs show tango thing is.
     
  3. bastet

    bastet Active Member

    http://tangodata.gov.ar/

    and the individial results for salon (hey! Italy came in the top 10!)- one of the rules being no legs lifted past the knee I believe (no ganchos)
    http://www.mundialdetango.gov.ar/resultados_mundial_2007/salon_final_vuelta2_puesto.php

    and I'm assuming stage is the other category, with Italy and Japan having placements in the top 10:

    http://www.mundialdetango.gov.ar/resultados_mundial_2007/escenario_final_puesto.php

    No one from Britain or America on either list that I could see...
     
  4. cornutt

    cornutt Well-Known Member

    I have to take exception to this. I've been to a number of comps where WCS (bolero too) is danced as part of the core rhytym group, including being part of multi-dance events.
     
  5. cornutt

    cornutt Well-Known Member

    I don't know; if we're going to restrict the pros to just the styles that they are expert at, then we're pretty much restricting the whole show to just Latin. Most of the pros on DWTS aren't expert at standard, smooth, or swing either.
     
  6. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Yeah - In SCD, there are specialists as well, it seems to be more weighted towards the Latin also. Maybe because Latin specialists work better on TV, visually?
     
  7. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Ah, right - fair enough. Thanks for the info, I vaguely recall hearing about that at the time now you mention it.
     
  8. cornutt

    cornutt Well-Known Member

    I think it more likely that because the Latin dancing comes across better on TV, they want that part to be as good as possible.
     
  9. jfm

    jfm Active Member

    I think they should have asked some of the many actual argentinian argentine tango teachers/professionals working in London (who don't need to claim they'd won things to show how good they are) to do the demo. At least then the show case dance would have been decent and would have given the viewers a better idea of tango. If you are comparing what the contestants did to the demo, they weren't that bad. but only because the demo was lame.
     
  10. Twirly

    Twirly New Member

    But the couple who did the demo ARE Argentine tango pros and teachers, apparently.

    I've seen some pretty awful demos done by teachers here in London, so that might have been embarrassing. Maybe someone from a stage show like Tango por dos.
     
  11. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    I have to say the judges remind me of the two old men in the muppets.
     
  12. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member


    an apt description ;such thin legs!
     
  13. Ampster

    Ampster Active Member

    First time I've seen these videos. Not good. Even the pro's lack a grasp of basic AT technique. Too "ballroomey."
     
  14. Yliander

    Yliander Member

    What did you think of Matt and Flavia's AT from the same show?
     
  15. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Yet, I know that these often...not always, aren't viewed/judged as seriously as the other main dances.
     
  16. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Actually, yes, I'd have liked to see someone other than V&F doing the demo, personally - if only to show that there are lots of other great AT dancers around London, it's not just those two.

    Yes, that's what I was trying to say :)
     
  17. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member

    Not sure what you mean, here. I was referring to american and international. Though I started with the intern., I do realize that it doesn't adhere at all to the principles of AT or amer. tango.

    I don't know. I believe it should be. The lack of a true rhythm division in amer. syllabi and comps could be the reason re WCS.

    Don't know about this either other than that this comp was not well recognized until more recently. Her AT is way underdeveloped, or at the least, was not displayed well on SCD.
     
  18. timbp

    timbp New Member

    This whole discussion reminds me of last year's Australian "Dancing with the stars".

    My WCS teacher choreographed and taught the group a WCS routine. None of the dancers (pros or competitors) had done WCS before (although maybe some of the pros had done some ballroom WCS).

    In the actual broadcast, the show had run overtime, so the competitors were shown doing the routine (which they did quite badly, many of them noticeable out of time), but the teacher's dancing was not shown, so viewers did not get to see what WCS should really look like.

    I suspect much the same thing has happened in this program.

    Tim
     
  19. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Yes, that's what I mean - I didn't realise that there were two flavours of Ballroom Tango (American and International).

    I'm not experienced enough to judge the relative merits of pros - but here's a demo they did last year:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wH3Gw9H_eY

    I liked it, personally.
     
  20. Twirly

    Twirly New Member

    In the first ever (?) tango demo on Strictly Come Dancing there were three couples. First Flavia and Vincent, and then two others. The man in the second couple and the woman in the third are well-known Argentine Tango teachers in London. How do you think they did compared to F&V?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys0DVZASBkM

    Let's not forget that it's a show and even though there are some good social dancers in London it's not what the audience want to see. And being a good teacher doesn't mean you're able to perform on telly with no nerves or mistakes. But as I said before I think the best option would be to invite dancers from a tango show, such as tango por dos who regularly perform in London, to do the show. That way we'd get trained Argentine tango dancers who are well used to performing, even if the style of tango still wouldn't necessarily be to everyone's taste.
     

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