Tango Argentino > With a different music a different dance.

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by Mario7, Feb 27, 2010.

  1. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    I think ultimately, you will have to ask someone to leave who will not conform to the environment you want to create. It should be rare, and take many warnings before it happens, though. Of course, the more crowded it is, the easier it is to get away with it, (and the less crowded it is, the less people will understand why you are making such a fuss).

    What else can you do?

    • Greet people (especially newbies and known offenders), and make sure they are aware of the atmosphere you are trying to have there.
    • Have flyers on the tables saying what the rules/guidelines are.
    • Maybe once an hour (or as needed), giving a reminder to the crowd, in place of or after the cortina.
    • In between tandas, talk to the leaders who are not staying within your guidelines (saying something during the tanda is much more aggressive, and only should be done for something egregious).
    • Basically, anything that will take away the excuse that they didn't know that your milonga was different from the norm in your area.
    Thus the "offenders" will be people who simply don't care about you or your rules.
     
  2. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    i think this is commonsense; if you want people to abide by certain rules/or codes make it a club so you when people arrive, even as members or guests they are made aware of the "Rules".

    Nothing so annoying as "the converted"; who used to play Gotan and Narigon ( or even the New York Howl!) at their milongas but complain if you play Joaquin Amenabar or Orchestra Berretin.
     
  3. Light Sleeper

    Light Sleeper New Member

    Well, my problem IS the music!! In my purely personal opinion, that's a horrible version of one of my favourite tangos.
     
  4. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Unfortunately, most tango musicians today inspire more sympathy than dancing.:(
     
  5. Ampster

    Ampster Active Member

    Lui:

    In Seattle, when you want to expand on a certain style, or discipline, it can be helped along by importing really good/reputable teachers who can demonstrate and teach (aside from yourself), that which you are trying to propagate... i.e. dancing in small spaces.

    That way, your milonga becomes the core of said discipline/style. You're in Germany, have you ever considered inviting Detlef and Melina to your milonga?

    Detlef and Melina in Seattle
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    Didactic in German
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  6. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    I think they did dance to the music, though. If you don't like that version of the song, it's understandable why you wouldn't like the dance.

    I'll just say that I'm primarily a close embrace dancer, and I found great value in taking classes from them. I admit that I have a bias, though.
     
  7. Light Sleeper

    Light Sleeper New Member

    Yep, it's all in the music for me :bouncy:

    I might post something on the video thread...
     
  8. Lui

    Lui Active Member

    Ampster,

    I don't have a shortage of teachers. I have a shortage of pupils intersted in them. At least in the Berlin area traditional Tano sells badly at the moment. Many teachers have tried and moved on. This has many reasons. One of those is, in my opinion, that the majority of active dancers prefer the Nuevo style. This group is well connected and dominates the large parts of the tango scene and it is inventing it's own kind of tango. Their system of public relation in regard of their target group is superb. They are young, hip and avantgarde, at least they are pretty good at communicating that. The hippest place at the moment is named Tango tanzen macht schönDancing Tango makes you beautiful. Please, don't get me wrong, I don’t think that they are doing anything wrong or that they are to blame for the situation for the more traditional orientated dancers.

    In fact the are doing many things right and traditional dancers, have now to wake up and learn a little about marketing and targeting a customer group. We need to find and promote our values, in a positive way and we shouldn't be shy about it. It’s time to stop worrying about other styles and to start to enjoy dancing again. Providing good reliable service on a continuous basis sees to be the key to respark the interest in traditional tango.

    And it is working, but slowly. It took for me about a year to have my Milonga accepted. Should I ever gain any direct profit of it, I may hire a DJ. Last Saturday I’ve been invited to the birtday Milonga of Augutso, who provides another wonderful Milonga. That night was also the 1. anniversary of the Milonga. It’s held at the Gutsmuths sport club and has the typical charm of an Argentine improvised neighborhood milonga. (He plays mixed music, in a rather traditional style setting. If you are around Berlin, go and visit it! Gutsmuths Milonga) It took him quite some time to gather some followers as well and it is more a work of love and dedication than of profit.

    With more than 90 residential teachers and half a dozen foreign ones visiting each month, one week of workshops has little impact on the community. Nothing against Detlef and Melinda, but neither El Flaco Dany (a true Milonguero) nor el Pulpo (one of the not so known initiators of Nuevo) raised much interested. Even Naveira was looked at but not listen to. Just hitting the town, show your stuff and move on, doesn't work anymore. The people want to experience Tango, the want to be seduced to the old values, carfully. Maybe some are even afraid to admit that the like the old recordings, that they like to wear a suit or an evening gown and that their body is rather in shape for Milonguero than for a high linear boleo. They are afraid to be outdated.

    If however the atmosphere is right some will try that outdated stuff and some will discover that they like it. The stuff is not outdated it’s classic. Now, some dancers, who dance ten years or more discover that they know very little about dancing in close space or to the music. The need to rethink their cross, their ochos their whole technical repertoire. I would need persons who constantly lure the onlookers into traditional tango and encourage them on their way, not for a week but for years – and for very little money in the beginning.

    Maybe we don’t need more teachers but more authors, movie makers, stage directors in favor for traditional tango.
     
  9. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member

    An international phenomenon.... "There are more tango teachers than there are students. Sad." (quote from one of the old milongueros in BsAs).
     

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