Salsa > Woman or Man forward on the 1?

Discussion in 'Salsa' started by borikensalsero, Jun 21, 2004.

  1. Sabor

    Sabor New Member

    nice going Sagitta!.. we could name this move the 'Sneak Kiss Attack" and teach it to as many salseras as possible! :p
     
  2. Sagitta

    Sagitta Well-Known Member

    Yup. One way to to do it is do a two handed inside turn, followed by an out of the way, with another inside turn into a wrap with right hand down. She is trapped, you launch your attack, then unwrap her into a couple spins into open position.

    Or the casino style beso move...

    Actually there are more sexy moves then the kiss. Take the basic in and out move...you go in on the first half of the basic, and then do a hip roll together, or you can get her to do a booty shake. Good for the slower tempo songs.

    Or, even easier, just do veils and combs. Not enough people do them. :wink: :)
     
  3. ino

    ino New Member

    ya I kinda got lost with this on sunday when I took a workshop with Frankie Martinez. Martinez tought on 2 and the way he tought had the lead going back on their first step(2). This totally threw my counting off and I can't learn w/o knowing what everything is supposed to do on what count so the on 2 going backwards thing screwed me. I got the shines down pretty well but when it came to partner work I got pretty screwed up when he started counting. It was a little hard for me to resist the urge to go forwards on 1, but I think it is forward on 1 and back on 2 or maybe u can go forwards on 2 but right now I'm just gonna stick to forward on 1....I'll pick the other stuff up a little later :wink:
     
  4. Pacion

    Pacion New Member

    ino, :lol: welcome to the world of On2 :lol: Frankie M is gorgeous isn't he :D :banana: :D

    Okay, I have, ahem, read some of the thoughts re why the woman should start on one ie. the man giving her the impulse and oppportunity for her to shine. BUT from recollection, in the waltz AND cha cha, the woman steps backwards for her first step :roll: Oh, and I believe in Curacao, the women dance stepping forward when dancing On1 :lol: Therefore, my take is, wear steelcapped shoes to dance in :lol:
     
  5. DiAnAoN1

    DiAnAoN1 New Member

    Yeah same thing happened to me when I first started learning on2, I would be fine by myself and once we started to dance if the instructor was counting I would break back on 5 instead of 6...it was really confusing and frustrating and I felt like I was a beginner all over again :( but now that I know a little more I love it...it feels so smooth and just right :D
     
  6. Genesius Redux

    Genesius Redux New Member

    The question isn't why should the man step forward on one. It's why the follower should follow the lead.

    Because if the follower doesn't, the follower doesn't get to dance.
     
  7. salsaForfun

    salsaForfun New Member

    Some advanced dancers of this style start forward on 6,7 (for the leader).
    You can also dance using forward on 1 on the right foot then forward on 2 and back on the 3. It is still breaking on 2. that is the way Jason Molina and Jhesus Aponte teach I remember well.
     
  8. Sagitta

    Sagitta Well-Known Member

    The first is Eddie Torres on2

    The second is power on2/mambo...
     
  9. salsaForfun

    salsaForfun New Member

    I fear you missed the point. What I described is the same pattern eddie Torres use but reverse. The leader goes forward on 1 (right foot) and on 2 (left foot) before changing direction. That why it is still eddie torres style. Jason Molina (a former ET Student) said he uses this way because it is easier for the on 1 dancers.

    When dancing Power 2 you never step on 1 (some people tap on 1 in place in order to get started, but later no step on 1 or 5). It doesn't matter if you start back or forth on 2. Still power 2. Angel Rodriguez from Razzm'Tazz steps back on 2 with right foot for the leader. Many others start forward on 2 with left foot for the leader.
     
  10. Sagitta

    Sagitta Well-Known Member

    I got it...just thinking of things lightly differently..that's all. on3 a lot of people either step in place but I've also seen the leader actually stepping forward for 1-2, then forward again for 3....so was applying a similar reasoning here. But I got it now. :)
     
  11. borikensalsero

    borikensalsero Moderator

    me three, I dance power2, but will mostly allow the girl to start fowards on the 2 (I got tired of girls coming off a shine routine at me on the 2 instead of the 6, which we had began dancing to if I began the dance). Surprisingly it is hard to adjust when you are used to going in one direction all your dance life. To me they are the same (1 and 5), so I don't care... But now, for the sake of not confusing us, I just go with the flow. She gets to pick where we begin!
     

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