Tango Argentino > WSJ: Expats, Argentines Tangle Over Tango

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by DerekWeb, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. DerekWeb

    DerekWeb Well-Known Member

  2. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

  3. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

  4. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    What does sex and chess mean?

  5. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    The Thomas Crowne Affaire?
  6. nucat78

    nucat78 Active Member

  7. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    It means that Christine Denniston, who wrote "The Meaning of Tango", and also has a web site, has said/written something that other writers think sounds cool.

    Clay Nelson, who is a big time AT organizer here in the Northwest, has a site where he posted AT questions.

    Here's a comment in the response to How is the cruzada lead/followed.
    "Basically, the cross is a kiss. It can be a punctuation mark. Or it can be sex."

    You know, maybe one of the reason people become disillusioned about AT, is that they find out the tango/sex think is pretty much bunk (ie nonsense).
  8. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    Thx !!
  9. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    Maybe they find out getting sex is a lot easier than getting tango.
  10. Ampster

    Ampster Active Member

    You have to at least try to be good in tango to get it...:cheers:
  11. chanchan

    chanchan Member

  12. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    Well, chess is a board game that requires a lot of analytical thinking, including the ability to consider the possibilities several moves ahead.

    It might be best to have someone else explain about sex.


    Just Kidding.
  13. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    The article states that they all currently reside in Buenos Aires.
    The competition they are being excluded from is a city competition. There, they aren't representing any country. It looks like the organizers are using the World CUp connection to exclude them.

    It would be like excluding "foreigners" from swing or country western competitions here in the US. But only once they got really good and started to win.
    "HEY, what are they doing dancing OUR dance?"
    Anyone know of this ever happening?
  14. jantango

    jantango Active Member

    The city tango championship was originally for those who lived in the capital federal of Buenos Aires. It was the first attempt at organizing a city-wide competition for tango. Only locals entered in 2002. Blas Catrenau and Graciela Lopez won, but who remembers. The prize was 600 pesos and a few exhibitions.

    Now that the local population of Buenos Aires includes a considerable number of foreigners who have moved here to dance tango and make a living from tango, it's no surprise they want to enter the city championships. After all, the prize money is finally a respectable amount, and it costs nothing to enter.

    The city championship is a stepping stone to the finals of the world championships. The couples who are familiar faces to the judges are those who place in the rankings. Titles are an important marketing tool in the tango world. Win one and you get instant contracts to teach abroad.

    The elite organization that controls how tango is taught and marketed decides who is selected for the title of champion each year. The judges give points, but in the end it all boils down to which Argentine couple has paid their dues and is ready to be sent abroad to teach and perform.

    When Daniel Nacucchio and Cristina Sosa won the city salon titles in tango and milonga in 2008, it didn't surprise anyone when they won the world salon title the same year. It was all arranged as the competition has been from the start.

    I will bet that one of the two couples in the top positions in this year's city championship will be winners of the world competition in August. This is how the old boys network functions in the tango world. The judges want the world champions to be Argentines, not foreigners. The Japanese couple wasn't a fluk. Tokyo laid out the red carpet for the festival director a few months earlier. The title was his way of thanking them. The Japanese couple are lovely dancers who took classes with the judges.

    Foreigners can quarrel about the constitutionality of the rules, but in the end no one can sway the minds of the judges who want to launch the careers of their favorites. The top prize is 30,000 pesos and a guarantee for lots of work abroad.
  15. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    I have to admit to being a bit confused... if the winners are pre-selected by the Argentine judges because that is who they want to send out into the world as representational of genuine AT as prized in BA, doesn't that mean the impression we are all getting of what tango should be is actually being determined by Buenos Aires? So if it isn't "authentic" anymore, wouldn't that mean that Argentina has no one but itself to "blame" for the evolution of tango into something that some don't consider tango?
  16. jantango

    jantango Active Member

    Yes to both questions.

    Tango is being carefully managed in the way it is taught and danced. Tango as a simple social dance doesn't sell as well as an exhibition dance.

    Salon champions are really those who want to perform more than dance at a milonga. Those who take their classes should know they are like wolves in sheep's clothing. What you see isn't really what you get. They teach choreography that has nothing to do with improvising on a crowded milonga floor.
  17. Peaches

    Peaches Well-Known Member

    Wow. So many nasty accusations in one place...and not oneshred of evidence to back any of it up. Wow.
  18. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    I really thought they were the best dancers that year, and to be honest, I don't think any of the winners since, danced as well as they did.
  19. jantango

    jantango Active Member

    I've attended the competitions from the start and have spoken with a few judges. They are told that they have to agree on who will win the competition. One judge told me she refused to work under this condition and no longer participates. The rules have a point system for judging, throwing out the highest and lowest marks. In the end, the selection is decided by a small committee.
  20. nucat78

    nucat78 Active Member

    We call that "politics as usual" in Chicago and the 'burbs. ;)

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