Discussion in 'General Dance Discussion' started by MadamSamba, Jan 23, 2004.
Thanks Sagitta and SDsalsaguy
Where in Portugal can you see authentic zouk? I will be in Lisbon in late June and would be very interested in seeing this.
Welcome to df tintinnabula! I know that MapleleafSalsero is from Lisbon, Portugal. You can ask him. I'm trying to think, and do remember that there was some talk a while back on visiting Portugal/Spain. Let's see if I can find it...or maybe it was France? :?
Okay this thread has some talk of the salsa scene. Perhaps you can ask these df members from Portugal about Zouk, or a good place to check it out on the web.
Thank you Sagitta for both the warm welcome and the prompt reply! That thread was very helpful. My friend and I will def. check out a couple of those salsa scenes mentioned. Now, if only we can find a hotel to stay in...everything seems to be booked due to the Euro 2004 tournament. Can anybody receommend a clean hotel with a room for two young ladies?? :lol:
In my searches for resources on the net on Zouk dance, I just stubled on this site. It looks great with a lot of participation from all over the world.
But before I start asking all kids of questions at the impropriate place on this board, could someone point me to discussions I should read first?
Thank you - Gentemer.
Hi Gentemer. Welcome. First, feel free to ask almost anything. If you want to know whether a topic has been covered, you can use the search function. There's a search button near the top of your screen -- actually, on the left bottom of the screen header/banner. Just type in your search terms, and any pertinent threads will pop up. Or, if you like, you can peruse the index threads that are at the top of most forums. That may give you an idea of what's already been discussed.
Thank you so much for asking.
hmm... just stumbled into this thread as there's a club with a huge following (however the club only play trances and such) with the thread name.
After watching the clip, it looks a lot like Casino style Salsa but with a very chill out feel to it?
So now I know what I should do when they play chill-out music in clubs...
But still prefer Salsa though the Zouk music really sounds nice and soothing imho
Btw, Welcome to DF Gentemer, u'll find that this is the most non-critical and coolest dancers forum u'll ever find. enjoy ur stay here
let me simply second why Pygmailion said, as she said it so well. And third the welcome since istel has welcomed you too. If you have problems with the search functionality do let us know and I'll be happy to help you out, further.
Methinks that while there IS a timing difference, the two are definitely transferable, providing one knows the timing well, and execute each properly instead of doing a muddled version in between (like moi ).
Thanx for the warm welcome, Pygmalion, Istel and Sagitta, eh... some two weeks ago ;-)
It is really incredible, the amount of dancing discussions going on here, too much for me to read it all.
But let me add some contributions...
Well, the Zouk community is certainly growing in the Netherlands as well. Most dutch Zouk dancers learned it from Claudio Gomes or Claudia de Vries, or from teachers that learned it from Claudio ;-)
The style shown on the site of TropicalNY is a bit different from what I am used to. Much more static and choreographed. Try for instance the clips from the Zouk/Lambada congress in Barcelona at ZoukLover.com or the following clip from BraSaZouk.com the site of Claudia: http://www.brasazouk.com/images/movie.mov
The major difference with other dances like Salsa, is that it is extremely up close and personal, for some people even too much up close and personal . And not only the physical closeness, but also the partners looking streight into each othere eyes. In the physical aspect it resembles the 'close' bachata, though that lacks the eye-contact. And Bachata can be danced at some distance from each other, which is absolutely unworkable for Zouk.
As far as I know, people in Africa and African communities use the same kind of music (the toem... chick chick, toem... chick chick, etc.), but dance 'Kizomba' to it in stead of Zouk. Some CaboVerdian people don't even know the term 'Zouk', but call it CaboSwing ;-)
This confuses me a bit, since I thought Kizomba was not a partner dance, and since you are writing about the closeness to your partner and the rest, I am thinking about Zouk again !?! Can anybody enlighten me about this?
(PS: the stuff of the Barcelona congress is what I know as Zouk)
I think Istel is referring to the Rueda-like aspect of the performance, aren't you, Istel? This aspect in Zouk is new to me, I don't think it is typical for Zouk, at least not how it is danced in the Netherlands, as far as I know.
Is it more common in Australia, Salsachinita?
A lot to digest. Will try to do so at a later date as laundry is now calling me.
No haste! My post travelled for two weeks with me in my palmtop before I could find the time to upload it! :lol:
At the moment, no zouk at all....!!!
Zouksta (UK) was here a couple of years ago to teach/promote it actively, but as I predicted then, without a cultrual group who follows the music (ie salsa with Spanish speaking community), just having the dance alone would not be enough to make a thriving scene.......
You are very the welcomed
Yeah, you got my idea. Cause they're dancing around in a circle, exchanging partners and doing very ruedish things in general Timing wise, I agree it's pretty different since it's derived from Lambada if I'm not wrong?
However, the swaying of heads in circles makes the performers look a little like they're possessed... but that's just me
But all in all, I love the music... can someone recommend me a few good zouk albums? Those extremely chill out ones 8)
Thanks a lot!
This surprises me! Some time ago I was searching for information on a Zouk Congress, and all kinds of australean websites turned up.
This made me think that there is a huge Zouk community in Australia.
In the Netherlands, there is only a small Creole community, but sufficient to produce some great Zouk artists (music), like Susanna Lubrano and Gil Semedo. As for the Zouk (dance) to become popular in the Netherlands, it is mainly because of the Brazilian Claudio Gomes and the Surinam Claudia de Vries.
You're right. The rhythem is the same, but it differs on which count you change your weight.
Well, you could be right here as well :wink:
Try the list at Claudio Gomes's site, and there are some great demos at the site of Suzanna Lubrano (urls in previous post).
The sites are either once-off events, or in another city (other than Melbourne) so I can't really comment ..........but I know that there's none in Mel at the moment.
Mmmm... :? I'm sorry.
Well just to confuse everyone more, this is what I know about Zouk.
It originated in the French Caribbean and if memory serves me right, in the Antilhes (not sure it´s this island). The Zouk I´ve heard is mostly sung in French. It´s very popular here in Portugal amongst the African community of the former colonies, Cape Verde, Angola, Guineu, etc. Sometimes, in salsa venues they play Zouk, however, most salseros think it´s Kizomba so they dance Kizomba to it.
On New Years Eve, I was at a private party hosted by a salsera and one her friends, who was originally from Cape Verde, brought some Zouk music with him and played it for us. It sounded just like Kizomba except it was in French and had a certain soothing/relaxing effect to it. Anyway, if I´m not mistaken, Kizomba originated Zouk that´s probably why it´s so similar.
I´m not sure however how you´re supposed to dance to Zouk.
Tintinnabula, if you decide to come to Portugal, let me know. I´ll try to find out where you can dance Zouk here. I´m assuming in clubs with essentially African music...
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