Recent content by JohnEm

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    Dancing with or through your Partner?

    OK, thanks. This is indeed a very difficult area to convey in writing without the possibility of misinterpretation. But using phrases like "super-macho" doesn't help. You know that is the accusation about Argentine men, and yes their society is rather more unequal legally than many other...
  2. J

    Dancing with or through your Partner?

    Each to their own . . . but please don't characterise other ways of dancing so pejoratively.
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    The Booty Misconception

    It's a strange phenomenon here that some posters object to their own deductive inventions of what I write rather than the more obvious actuality. Milonguero was a term of criticism "back in the day", as you describe it, not a dance style. It applied to some of those who danced in the city...
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    The Booty Misconception

    Isn't the very idea of a definition limiting? The problem for me is not definition or the lack of it but that the term is rather loosely bandied about as some sort of validation without any consistent idea any more of what a milonguero was or is now. The term is increasingly less useful but...
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    The Booty Misconception

    I wouldn't be worried about that, Puppy Castello never was a milonguero, he didn't dance anything like one and he certainly was not born early enough to be called a milonguero when it was a term of disparagement. By his own admission he was a predator on tourist women as recruits for classes...
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    The Booty Misconception

    Why would they, it isn't necessary and it disruptively interferes with the connection and the dance. And by the way, the only thing special about enrosques in loose hold tango is that tango choreographers gave it the name. I find myself doing a similar movement in other open partner dances...
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    The Booty Misconception

    It's not my style but I have little problem with it as a dance. Outstretched arms are always a problem for others in crowded conditions, some dancers draw them inwards but far too many others seem to have no awareness so do not respond appropriately to the conditions. Have you ever been...
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    The Booty Misconception

    I never claimed it to be empirical nor exhaustive, it's merely my opinion based on my own experiences. All the many milongas in the centre which I have attended either regularly - Lo de Celia, Los Consagrados, Nuevo Chique, El Arranque, a variety at Obelisco, Gricel and Plaza Bohemia, and to a...
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    The Booty Misconception

    I agree in principle but in Britain, and in many other countries, if you know little about partner dance it will be ballroom's standardised dances you learn. What they are based on, or derived from, is rarely mentioned. Indeed where are there social dance scenes large enough and strong enough...
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    The Booty Misconception

    Sometimes I wonder if we are writing in the same language. "Unchanged" does not mean that at all, it merely means that the embrace of a couple remains, it is not broken during the dance. You can see that in the video which follows your comment. It was strangely quiet at La Nacional but people...
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    The Booty Misconception

    This is social dance not an academic study. It's quite clear from the many milongas I've attended that, repeating my post, an improvised dance of the music in an unchanging embrace is its most popular form in Buenos Aires. Firstly the in-line or parallel embrace chest to chest, once exclusively...
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    The Booty Misconception

    You don't seem to know much about the wider dance world. Ballroom might not dance in an embrace but they do dance Slow Waltz, Viennese Waltz (near in tempo to Vals), Quickstep (Argentine Foxtrot tempo), Foxtrot and Paso Doble in relatively fixed "hold". See any video on YouTube. I've danced...
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    The Booty Misconception

    I'm surprised you think that, it must be that you have never tried or have never persevered or just aren't that interested. All of which is OK except for your criticism of something you either don't seem to know or may be do not like. In my experience it can work for all kinds of music, after...
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    The Booty Misconception

    And I am very late to this, but real life is more important than writing on here. Reading on, you seem actually to miss the real point. Avoiding the rather facetious next paragraph . . this: This rather one-sided interpretation is not what I meant by dancing for one's partner. It is not a...
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    The Booty Misconception

    And you would be wrong!