Cuban salsa vs On1 Salsa

#1
So I'm getting better at salsa On1 and while it's getting better, I'm still at a Bronze IV level.

I've heard that taking salsa lessons at different schools can kind of mess you up a bit since the technique differs from instructor to instructor. I tried at the beginning stages to see which school I liked and I decided on 1 school (get it?) lol.

Corny jokes aside, I wanted to some Cuban salsa. Are the steps different enough that you won't mix them up?

Right now I know salsa on1, bacahata, merengue, rumba, swing and some cha cha.
 

MaggieMoves

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#2
The only thing I know from Cuban Salsa is the "Rueda" which always ends up being a lot of fun. I don't think it is entirely exclusive or even originated from Cuban style, though. I believe the basic is entirely different. Hopefully our resident salsa expert can bring more input, though.
 

tangotime

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#3
The only thing I know from Cuban Salsa is the "Rueda" which always ends up being a lot of fun. I don't think it is entirely exclusive or even originated from Cuban style, though. I believe the basic is entirely different. Hopefully our resident salsa expert can bring more input, though.
Rueadas origins ,are from way back, as are most of our social dances ( 17th century European ) and, if you analyse the structure and calling sequence, It's very typical of C and W , and Round dance . Most of the steps are from Casino and Son , And that makes it Cuban, 100%..

It may be comprised, with as few as 4 couples .
 

tangotime

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#4
Corny jokes aside, I wanted to some Cuban salsa. Are the steps different enough that you won't mix them up?

Right now I know salsa on1, bacahata, merengue, rumba, swing and some cha cha.
"Cuban " style ( it's NOT Salsa ) is either Casino, Son or Rueada .
The term "Cuban " style salsa, has come to mean ( by many ) to indicate they dance/teach, either a pure or blended style .That is, to use material from Cuban style in Salsa ( I also teach this style ) .

They are structured differently than Salsa, and are based on a circular action . Some are danced on 1 others on 2 .The music also is a factor .
 

Jag75

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#6
I have *never* heard of a medallist scoring system for linear salsa, and I've been dancing for 10 years.

I would highly recommend checking out other schools, otherwise how do you know you're getting the right "bang" for your buck?
 

Jag75

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#7
My main concern is that you're learning salsa at a ballroom studio. Not all, but many don't specialise in salsa. Also the medal grading system means they are using a codification to asses you, however salsa is not a codified dance form. The danger of this form of rigidity is that it may restrict you somewhat.

I may be wrong in regards to your dance school, but I hear alarm bells ringing when I hear that a salsa class used a medallist scoring system.

As said previously - there is *no* harm in checking out other schools. Also don't worry about being loyal etc - at the end of the day they just want your money.
 
#8
My main concern is that you're learning salsa at a ballroom studio. Not all, but many don't specialise in salsa. Also the medal grading system means they are using a codification to asses you, however salsa is not a codified dance form. The danger of this form of rigidity is that it may restrict you somewhat.

I may be wrong in regards to your dance school, but I hear alarm bells ringing when I hear that a salsa class used a medallist scoring system.

As said previously - there is *no* harm in checking out other schools. Also don't worry about being loyal etc - at the end of the day they just want your money.
Thanks. Yeah, it is at a ballroom studio. I've done salsa at a few other schools too. I don't know what you mean by "scoring system" though. I don't think there's any scoring or anything like that. It's just social dancing.
 

Jag75

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#10
Thanks. Yeah, it is at a ballroom studio. I've done salsa at a few other schools too. I don't know what you mean by "scoring system" though. I don't think there's any scoring or anything like that. It's just social dancing.
You mentioned you are at Bronze IV level - that's what I'm referring to.

Honestly and speaking to you with the benefit 10 years Salsa experience, and having taught for 7 of those years, you are generally better off learning from a studio that specialises in teaching salsa. Salsa is not a ballroom genre so I'm always a little suspicious when a ballroom studio teaches Salsa - especially where the "Bronze, Silver, and Gold" terminology is used.
 
#11
Casino style will give you the step sequences that differ most from linear on 1 salsa.
Cool!
You mentioned you are at Bronze IV level - that's what I'm referring to.

Honestly and speaking to you with the benefit 10 years Salsa experience, and having taught for 7 of those years, you are generally better off learning from a studio that specialises in teaching salsa. Salsa is not a ballroom genre so I'm always a little suspicious when a ballroom studio teaches Salsa - especially where the "Bronze, Silver, and Gold" terminology is used.
Thank you. I'm not sure how the studio operates but I know my instructor also hosts salsa/bachata events at clubs. From what I've seen, they have two types of instructors at this studio - ones that teach salsa, bachata, merengue and cha cha and others who do ballroom. They sometimes cross over to cover each other but it's pretty obvious they have dedicated instructors to Latin club dances vs. ballroom. However, I do agree that checking out other studios doesn't hurt. :)
 
#13
"Cuban " style ( it's NOT Salsa ) is either Casino, Son or Rueada .
The term "Cuban " style salsa, has come to mean ( by many ) to indicate they dance/teach, either a pure or blended style .That is, to use material from Cuban style in Salsa ( I also teach this style ) .

They are structured differently than Salsa, and are based on a circular action . Some are danced on 1 others on 2 .The music also is a factor .
Also, in a strict sense, real Casino is quite different from Cuban Salsa, and since "Cuban Salsa" has become a kind of blanket term it has really blurred the understanding. But I really like, and totally agree with, your term Cuban "Style" (I think this is a much more appropriate and accurate term), as a lot (but by all means not all) Cuban salsa is not really Cuban and in some cases barely Salsa.
 

tangotime

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#14
Also, in a strict sense, real Casino is quite different from Cuban Salsa, and since "Cuban Salsa" has become a kind of blanket term it has really blurred the understanding. But I really like, and totally agree with, your term Cuban "Style" (I think this is a much more appropriate and accurate term), as a lot (but by all means not all) Cuban salsa is not really Cuban and in some cases barely Salsa.
I'm well aware that, Casino is not even salsa, but a specific form, based upon 3 points of a triangle and in rotation, whilst the ladies steps, are ALL forward. The name originates from where the inception began, in the casinos .

By "Cuban " style, my reference is to Hold / Frame and includes 75% rotation left and right .

The barely salsa, I like that !!( not to mention the music, in many cases ) ..:eek:
 
#15
I'm well aware that, Casino is not even salsa, but a specific form, based upon 3 points of a triangle and in rotation, whilst the ladies steps, are ALL forward. The name originates from where the inception began, in the casinos .

By "Cuban " style, my reference is to Hold / Frame and includes 75% rotation left and right .

The barely salsa, I like that !!( not to mention the music, in many cases ) ..:eek:
"Hold / Frame" "75% rotation" Gosh, that's too technical for me :confused: I'm more a "go by feel" :)

The music, yes! Here in my neck of the woods, music seems to be almost an after thought. I know you can technically dance anything to anything (I'm sure even tap dancing to Beethoven is possible - not good, but possible!), but my personal belief is you should at least try and match the correct music to the correlating dance. Not for "purist" reasons, but just because it fits. I tell my students, in Cuba (or anywhere for that matter) there wasn't a group of people on a dance floor all merrily dancing away when a group of musicians turned up and started playing music that matched what the dancers were doing. The music came first! The dance is the physical interpretation of the music. So trying to dance Casino to Puerto Rican Salsa music, it's doable, but it just doesn't quite fit.
 

tangotime

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#16
"Hold / Frame" "75% rotation" Gosh, that's too technical for me :confused: I'm more a "go by feel" :)

So trying to dance Casino to Puerto Rican Salsa music, it's doable, but it just doesn't quite fit.
My first objective as a teacher, is to at least get them to look like the style they are attempting to dance !.

As to "feeling, that's intangible .

Couldn't agree more about the music. As I'm also a DJ, I do have music choices for students, in all styles , to fit the appropriate I'm teaching.

Also, Making them aware of the changes in specific songs in the musical genre, and HOW to adapt to those ( Cumbia passages for ex. ) .
 
#17
My first objective as a teacher, is to at least get them to look like the style they are attempting to dance !.

As to "feeling, that's intangible .

Couldn't agree more about the music. As I'm also a DJ, I do have music choices for students, in all styles , to fit the appropriate I'm teaching.

Also, Making them aware of the changes in specific songs in the musical genre, and HOW to adapt to those ( Cumbia passages for ex. ) .
I have to slightly disagree about "feeling" being intangible. In the practice of dance (at least Casino) the feeling is probably the most tangible. Without the sense of feel, you're just left with a mechanical application. In fact, in Cuba this is probably the main observation/criticism you will hear when Cubans are discussing European or North American dancers, that they look "mechanical".

I agree 100% about teaching students to be aware of musical changes within songs. I only have experience with Cuban dance and music but too often you see social dancers paying little to no attention to what's actually playing. Cuban music will often interchange rhythms that, to the aware dancer, gives signals for different interpretations be that Rumba, Son, Mambo, Cha Cha Cha, Orishas etc.

In our classes we promote the following 3 guidelines - 1/ Movement over moves. 2/ Feel the movement. 3/ Connect with the music
 

tangotime

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#18
I have to slightly disagree about "feeling" being intangible. In the practice of dance (at least Casino) the feeling is probably the most tangible. Without the sense of feel, you're just left with a mechanical application.

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I agree 100% about teaching students to be aware of musical changes within songs. I only have experience with Cuban dance and music but too often you see social dancers paying little to no attention to what's actually playing.
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I teach in several disciplines, but, " feeling " is something that one may acquire over a period of time, or not. There are no guarantees in "teaching " that, the spoken word will translate into the desired result.

Now.. IF you said to teach " expression " that would be closer to an achieveable goal; to remember, we all, pretty much, may hear music differently, and hence our "expressions" will vary, if at all.

Many, who do not understand the music, will , and do continue to dance, exactly the same, no matter the music.

There is one other aspect that, rhythm exorts from some. and that is a desire to move, independently of instruction. Channeling that, into a "dance" with specific movements, is another story !!
 

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