Dancing with the Stars II - Week 4

pygmalion

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saludas said:
One of the things that makes dance so appealing to me is the honesty of movement - either you do it or you don't, and the constant striving for movcement that comes from your (spiritual as well as physical) center; the expression of emotion and interaction. These things are very much missing in many people's lives these days. And watching train wrecks makes me cringe.
Interesting perspective, saludas. Pretty profound thought for this early Saturday morning. :cool: :)

Gotta say I agree with this. Train wrecks make me cringe, too. That's another reason why, in general, I don't watch these types of shows. For some reason, a lot of people seem to enjoy watching the spectacularly bad. Not I.

That said, I'll say it again. I don't think that DWTS is primarily about dancing. It's about making money, in my jaundiced view. Seeing it from that perspective helps me put DWTS into a slightly different context. I don't expect honesty of pretty much anything. Reality shows aren't real. A pity, but I think it's true.
 
pygmalion said:
Interesting perspective, saludas. Pretty profound thought for this early Saturday morning. :cool: :)

Gotta say I agree with this. Train wrecks make me cringe, too. That's another reason why, in general, I don't watch these types of shows. For some reason, a lot of people seem to enjoy watching the spectacularly bad. Not I.

That said, I'll say it again. I don't think that DWTS is primarily about dancing. It's about making money, in my jaundiced view. Seeing it from that perspective helps me put DWTS into a slightly different context. I don't expect honesty of pretty much anything. Reality shows aren't real. A pity, but I think it's true.
That's true, but why did Miller get voted off this week? Why did the audience turn on him?

I think people are very willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, which is a good thing. But, it is contingent on putting in an honest effort. This week, the viewers found out he wasn't practicing.

That made everyone feel "had" by Miller. He was no longer the clutz that was trying and just wasn't a natural dancer. That persona people could identity with. People do not want to identify with someone who isn't putting in an honest effort.

The unforgiveable sin was not and is not being a poor dancer, it's not trying.

Ashley tugged my heartstrings this week. She was trying so hard to say positive things without lying. She didn't make the "call in" signal when their number was announced. He managed to take the "bubbly" out of Ashley. Put that in the frame that he wasn't showing up for practice which made her job impossible. She must have struggled so hard to come up with a choreography that he could learn in five hours.

So, in conclusion, I don't think it was so much the "trainwreck" vote that was keeping him around, but the "underdog" vote. He lost the underdog vote when people found out he wasn't putting in any effort.
 

pygmalion

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Actually, my comments just now were about the show in general and not Master P ... I think. :?

Interesting points, though, InfoSaturated. :cool: :) I still have no idea how the voting works (I deliberately never found out -- information overload. :lol:, )so I can't begin to speculate about why who got voted off or stayed on. But your theory sounds viable to me. *shrug*
 

fascination

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pygmalion said:
Interesting perspective, saludas. Pretty profound thought for this early Saturday morning. :cool: :)

Gotta say I agree with this. Train wrecks make me cringe, too. That's another reason why, in general, I don't watch these types of shows. For some reason, a lot of people seem to enjoy watching the spectacularly bad. Not I.

That said, I'll say it again. I don't think that DWTS is primarily about dancing. It's about making money, in my jaundiced view. Seeing it from that perspective helps me put DWTS into a slightly different context. I don't expect honesty of pretty much anything. Reality shows aren't real. A pity, but I think it's true.
I agreed with this as well saludas
 
Beto said:
Did anyone catch the singer's name? He looked familiar somehow. I cringed when Samantha Harris mentioned "Carnival time" and then brought out the salsa dancers. I associate 'samba' with 'carnival' (or carnivale) but salsa? I'm thinking it was something on the prompter or script. Or maybe it was said to her in her earpiece (much like the reveal of who stays and who goes).

I'm going to watch my tape again to see if I can get that singer's name.
Found it, it WAS Chelo.

www.musichelo.com

:D
 

DancePoet

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saludas said:
Humor in the millenium is cruel and mean, as evidenced by shows like Jackass and the success of crank callers getting their own tv shows. The 'success' of Master P is thought of as a very 'funny' consequence of the insincere and meanspirited voting that seems to have had more to do with the 'let's rubberneck the accident' approach that kept Master P on the air than it does with anyone actually thinking that it was about dancing, hard work, 'anything is possible', etc, IMHO.

One of the things that makes dance so appealing to me is the honesty of movement - either you do it or you don't, and the constant striving for movement that comes from your (spiritual as well as physical) center; the expression of emotion and interaction. These things are very much missing in many people's lives these days. And watching train wrecks makes me cringe.

As long as people look at someone like Master P and actually buy into his rhetoric that 'anything is possible - but hey let's not even try to exert energy to do it' then you'll continue to have viewers championing people who look to shortcuts and 'quick fixes' to have success, rather than real people who put their hearts into things...
Very interesting perspective!

There is a pattern in some humans' behaviour that shows people being all eyes for "train wrecks". And I suspect this has certainly helped the network make some additional advertising dollars through P's situation, just hopefully not at the expense of viewing ballroom dancing in a negative manner. I'm feeling like this show is doing good things for ballroom based on my relatively localized experiences. I believe with P being gone, those who have started watching this show for the first time AND stick around to continue watching more, will be the folks most likely to find there way into a dance studio for lessons. The others who don't will be those folks looking for the shortcuts and quick fixes, and such folks often lose out when it comes to long term joy.
 

DancePoet

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Infosaturated said:
That's true, but why did Miller get voted off this week? Why did the audience turn on him?

I think people are very willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, which is a good thing. But, it is contingent on putting in an honest effort. This week, the viewers found out he wasn't practicing.

That made everyone feel "had" by Miller. He was no longer the clutz that was trying and just wasn't a natural dancer. That persona people could identity with. People do not want to identify with someone who isn't putting in an honest effort.

The unforgiveable sin was not and is not being a poor dancer, it's not trying.

Ashley tugged my heartstrings this week. She was trying so hard to say positive things without lying. She didn't make the "call in" signal when their number was announced. He managed to take the "bubbly" out of Ashley. Put that in the frame that he wasn't showing up for practice which made her job impossible. She must have struggled so hard to come up with a choreography that he could learn in five hours.

So, in conclusion, I don't think it was so much the "trainwreck" vote that was keeping him around, but the "underdog" vote. He lost the underdog vote when people found out he wasn't putting in any effort.
Many of the "trainwreck" voters could be "underdog" voters, too. And maybe it was a combination of the two?

I feel sympathetic towards Ashley. She had a tough job, and hopefully she got paid appropriately.
 
Purr said:
As far as I'm concerned, they're all winners!
Hear! Hear!

I've also enjoyed watching George dance so much! What a trooper. He shows such enthusiasm and joy--he's having so much fun, he's just a pleasure to watch. After seeing him in movies/tv all these years, this is a nice touch for his career.
 

pygmalion

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DancePoet said:
She had a tough job, and hopefully she got paid appropriately.
Hmm. I hadn't thought about that. They're getting paid? (Over and above the priceless face time on TV?) Really? Not sure why, but I assumed that the pay was minimal. :?
 

SDsalsaguy

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pygmalion said:
Hmm. I hadn't thought about that. They're getting paid? (Over and above the priceless face time on TV?) Really? Not sure why, but I assumed that the pay was minimal. :?
I'm not sure what the figure is this season, but they're all paid for the whole season, but at a higher rate as long as the're still one of the "active" couples. They really do need to get paid too, since they can't rally take any other work at the same time and have to live on something.

I know the ammont last season was $2,000/month, but I'd asume that's gone up at least some....
 

mamboqueen

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And I assume all of their expenses (hotel, meals, etc.) are covered? I dunno. It sounds like a losing proposition unless they're really thinking their business will pick up a lot because of this "advertising."
 
someone who knew about it posted that neither the pros nor the stars were being put up, fed, etc during the show - that the way 'reality' tv is framed by actor union rules means much lower compensation/benefits than, say, a sitcom. that's part of the reason there is so much 'reality' on TV right now - it's cheaper, many times over, to produce than your average sitcom/drama.
 

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