Group Lessons vs. Peer-to-Peer (P2P) Learning

FancyFeet

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#21
I know. And it's been largely resolved since then... but left such a bad taste in my mouth that I've not returned to my previous level of community participation.
 
#23
there was an issue a while back where "you are not a teacher. Do not offer advice to other students. Do not answer their questions - refer them to their instructor." was stated. So, by following that direction, I'm now seen as the elitist B*... and despite my genuine joy that comes from helping out, I no longer consider myself part of that community and just avoid being around unless I have to be.
You should offer advice to your friends only when you practice together.

I almost always ignore advice from followers.
They say something like this, "Do you think I should do boleos myself? Teacher, he doesn't know how to lead boleos!"
I ask politely, "Show me how to lead boleos correctly!" She refuses.
 
#24
I was wondering what people thought of the merits of such a method? Has anyone seen it in use?
That teacher Mitra has no money to hire a regular instructor.
She uses volunteers to teach tango.

It's your choice: pay and study with a volunteer or pay and study with a teacher from Argentina.
 

opendoor

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#25
..don't see any reason why they should have to search as hard as I did..... I would love to be part of a group that encourages peer-to-peer learning.
Hi FancyFeet, I like your attitude, but still I find, peer2peer learning is a student´s isssue, not a teacher´s. Everyone is free to organize such kind of format, but at least not the teacher or studio. There still are some degrees of interest conflict in the grey zone.
 

sixela

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#30
Apparently, she sold her business.
Her model of teaching hasn't worked well.
http://www.oxygentango.com/blog/2017/4/5/oxygens-new-owners
The particular has nothing to do about the discussion about the concept. The point of peer-to-peer learning is that while you have one teacher (who is usually slightly less ubiquitous than the deity of you choice) you can have a lot of peers. But that simple fact seems to have eluded you even while you were actually writing it down.
 

sixela

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#31
I and my partner just call a teacher and ask him or her why something doesn't work well.
I used to do that as well, but if you have group classes and many people do that, then if you start hogging the teacher I feel rather sorry for the other pupils in your class.

Plus: I find your lack of faith [in your partner] disturbing, admiral Motti.
 
#32
I used to do that as well, but if you have group classes and many people do that, then if you start hogging the teacher I feel rather sorry for the other pupils in your class.
I don't go to big classes.

There are teachers who are not very famous, but very good. They gather just a few students, so I can try a lot of steps with a teacher.

Gustavo Naveira's classes attract a lot of people, but even then he helps every student.
 
#33
The particular has nothing to do about the discussion about the concept.
Do you want to say that there are advanced pretty dancers who offer to teach tango for free? I have never met such followers. They all want money.

However, pretty ladies hear solicitations every day, "I have a nice floor in my house. Come, we'll practice together."
 

opendoor

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#34
Do you want to say that there are advanced pretty dancers who offer to teach tango for free?
That´s an perceptional issue, Vincenze ! Simply change "offer to teach" by "work together" or "spend time on the practice floor", or whatelse and you will actually discover a new continent.
 

Gssh

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#35
However, pretty ladies hear solicitations every day, "I have a nice floor in my house. Come, we'll practice together."
"That was some good material, but i don't think im ready to try X at a milonga yet. Would you be interested in trying to work some more on this? We can rent floor space at a studio and split the cost 50/50" is probably a more appealing offer. It is actually not that difficult to find practice partners - milongas might work, but in my experience the best combination is meeting people you vaguely know from milongas at workshops of visiting teachers. The fact that they are going to be gone before the material is properly settled and that it is usually much easier to work on stuff with somebody who had been to the same workshop makes practicing more somewhere else an obvious idea.
 

sixela

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#37
so I can try a lot of steps with a teacher.
Ah yes. Steps. Lots of steps. So that you can impress people with them.

I'm not so sure that steps are what I would like a private teacher to focus on. If they would use "steps", I would rather hope them to be a means to teach me something else that could use some work.
 

sixela

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#38
Do you want to say that there are advanced pretty dancers who offer to teach tango for free?
I think you just have demonstrated you don't grok peer-to-peer learning at all (or even how knowledge is acquired by the human race. I doubt you're a scientist). And I think you've demonstrated time and again on this forum that you have nothing but scorn for anything you seem not to comprehend.

Oh, and why would an advanced dancer have to be pretty to teach me something? I'll take beauty before "prettiness" any day, and beauty comes in many forms.
 
#39
The fact that they are going to be gone before the material is properly settled and that it is usually much easier to work on stuff with somebody who had been to the same workshop makes practicing more somewhere else an obvious idea.
The couples that I observe practicing together are usually: a wife and her husband, a good dancer and a pretty skilled lady.

Once a beginner asked me to accompany her to a private lesson. I felt that I wasted my time and money as our goals were completely different.
I'll practice with a beginner only if she is special.

If you practice a step with a partner who has been to the same workshop, she can just repeat the sequence. You won't be able to use it on the floor if you don't know how to lead an unsuspecting follower.
 

sixela

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#40
I'll practice with a beginner only if she is special.
Oh, because you're "special"?

You certainly are.

our goals were completely different.
Yeah -- I bet she had the nerve to insist on also getting something that would have benefited her. And we all know it's a zero sum game, right?

If you practice a step with a partner
Where once again, Vincenze bestows upon us the wisdom that it's "All About Them Steps" (and repeating them, like medieval monks copying a Greek classic).

an unsuspecting follower
I think in this particular case you misspelled "hapless".
 
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