how to do enrosque ( for a man)

bordertangoman

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#21
An enrosque is balanced with both feet bearing the weight. This allows both feet to pivot simultaneously. Where the feet are placed doesn't really matter as it can be done in any position.
  • enrosque: from enroscar. To coil, twist. While woman executes a molinete, man spins on one foot, hooking other foot behind the spinning foot.

Enrosque — From enroscar - to coil or twist: While the lady dances a molinete, the man pivots on his supporting foot, hooking or coiling the working leg behind or around in front of the supporting leg.

these are from tejastango and totango websites, and from my own experience.
so I don't agree with your view. You might get some leverage from the free foot but its still a pivot on one leg.
 

UKDancer

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#23
There are two forms of enrosque. The one described above, as a step into a pivot, and one where you twist in place. The former has weight on one foot at a time, the latter is split weight.
For the latter, do you mean that the leader's feet are apart, or together?

Out of interest:

ENROSQUE (etym.: Coiling. Coll.: Corkscrew action): (V. enroscar). Term used when the man pivots and wraps his active leg in front or behind his supporting leg during the Molinete. The Enrosque requires dissociation of the torso and the hips so as to allow crossing of the legs with embellishments.

Benzecry Saba, Gustavo (2010-08-17). New Glossary of Tango Dance (Kindle Locations 738-741). Abrazos. Kindle Edition.
 

LKSO

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#24
Yes, all of those definitions are doable. However, in order to gain leverage, both feet must have weight on them. You cannot push-turn the supporting leg without having placed weight of the pushing leg. This is why I say that both feet must bear weight.
 

Subliminal

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#28
The single weight enrosque is more common, and comes from an element of tango salon as practiced by more open dancers. The split weight enrosque is far less common now, and is most often used in apilado, where space is at a premium.

Nuevo/modern dancers have turned the split weight enrosque upside down, and asking a follower to split her weight and twist is now a core element of modern tango.
 

LKSO

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#29
Nuevo/modern dancers have turned the split weight enrosque upside down, and asking a follower to split her weight and twist is now a core element of modern tango.
I hope they aren't doing this to classic tangos. It would look pretty ugly, imo.
 

UKDancer

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#30
I think I know exactly what you mean even though I'm confused by "disassociation."
DISOCIAR: (to dissociate): Term used to refer to the dissociation of the torso from the hips and legs. Proper dissociation allows the torso and the hips to be orientated in different directions.

Benzecry Saba, Gustavo (2010-08-17). New Glossary of Tango Dance (Kindle Locations 705-706). Abrazos. Kindle Edition.
 

Subliminal

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#31
Disagree. The energy comes from dissociation, the step is incidental - just like an ocho.
Disagree. The initial energy boost comes from the leader. Then the follower helps with the wind-up. It is annoying as a follower when the leader makes you do all the work. ;)
 

LKSO

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#32
Okay... when I think of disassociation, I think super twisting action like in yoga. I don't think that's what you mean in this instance as it would be uncomfortable for the man.
 

LKSO

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#34
Disagree. The initial energy boost comes from the leader. Then the follower helps with the wind-up. It is annoying as a follower when the leader makes you do all the work. ;)
I don't think this is tango in the close embrace. This just wouldn't happen in a close embrace and it would be uncomfortable for the woman to be tossed around like that.
 

LKSO

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#35
Disagree. The initial energy boost comes from the leader. Then the follower helps with the wind-up. It is annoying as a follower when the leader makes you do all the work. ;)
I don't think this is tango in the close embrace. This just wouldn't happen in a close embrace and it would be uncomfortable for the woman to be tossed around like that.
 

LKSO

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#37
Disagree. The initial energy boost comes from the leader. Then the follower helps with the wind-up. It is annoying as a follower when the leader makes you do all the work. ;)
I don't think this is tango in the close embrace. This just wouldn't happen in a close embrace and it would be uncomfortable for the woman to be tossed around like that.
 

LKSO

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#37
I think you urgently need to find a decent tango teacher!
I'm able to disassociate quite easily, however, in the close embrace, such movement is unsightly as well as uncomfortable, as well as unnecessary. I'm also quite a good dancer, I've been told.
 

bordertangoman

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#38
Okay... when I think of disassociation, I think super twisting action like in yoga. I don't think that's what you mean in this instance as it would be uncomfortable for the man.

You can only twist as far your body will allow. I'm quite flexible, others arent. it is not uncomfortable, evem the amount of turn can vary sometimes it can be just a media luna and exit. I use that a lot when I'm dancing close embrace.
 

bordertangoman

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#39
I'm able to disassociate quite easily, however, in the close embrace, such movement is unsightly as well as uncomfortable, as well as unnecessary. I'm also quite a good dancer, I've been told.
i think there maybe a misunderstanding here; in close embrace the woman can take three steps around you without you needing to move anything but your chest, which stays with her, then you let, for eaxample, your trailing foot catch up and cross in front. The needle position for the free foot means that you avoid catching her feet.
 

LKSO

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#40
I use that a lot when I'm dancing close embrace.
Isn't that a lot of wasted energy and movement? I've learned to keep my shoulders square with my hips at all times since it transfers the motion most efficiently as well as make the lead much more comfortable.
 

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