If follow doesn't stay on beat.

#22
I have danced with leads where we fell off beat and some either:
1. speed up the next step to catch up and get back on beat
2. skip a step to catch up

I'm at ease with speeding up to get back on beat but when they skip a step or three, I often times get confused and one time even tripped up lol
 
#23
I have danced with leads where we fell off beat and some either:
1. speed up the next step to catch up and get back on beat
2. skip a step to catch up

I'm at ease with speeding up to get back on beat but when they skip a step or three, I often times get confused and one time even tripped up lol
If you fall off beat as a couple it's the leaders responsibility to lead back to the beat. One technique is a hesitation step (aka skip a beat or three). Keep in mind it has to be led, no follow is going to know you are returning to the dominant down beat "here" without a lead in advance.
 

Jag75

Active Member
#26
(This is a spin-off question off of http://www.dance-forums.com/threads/is-staying-on-beat-important.47352/)

Have to mention that I've been only dancing for couple of months, so I stay within my league.

I just started dancing socially (i.e. outside of the group class setting where instructor counts, and outside of private classes where the instructor knows how to dance) and I found that women I dance with a ignorant-incompetent about beat and phrase.

I've been having hard time figuring out the beat on the floor while I have no problems doing it off the floor, until I realized that I was assuming that my partners know what they are doing and was trying to find the beat they were dancing to.

Once I realized that - things got a little better on one hand - now I can dance on beat. Which puts me off sync with my partner.

Hence this question. Am I doing it wrong? Should I try to force the follow on beat? or dance to different rhythms? or succumb to her rhythm?
Q - how do you know your partner is off beat? Salsa is complex and you may think you're dancing on the 1, but dancing to something else.

Also - how across are you on on1 vs on2?
 

vit

Active Member
#27
A hesitation most often is led with a slight body rise and being careful to give no indication of a weight change.
Body rise isn't something commonly used in salsa, at least not among people that call themselves salseros; salsa taught together with other ballroom dances is of course a different story, howerver most people that learned salsa in ballroom studios don't go beyond very basic salsa dancing, that indeed consists of a few figures. I mean nothing wrong with that either, just I want to point out that many things are different depending where you actually dance

Ballroom salsa teaching video


Club salsa in NY

 
Last edited:
#28
Body rise isn't something commonly used in salsa, at least not among people that call themselves salseros; salsa taught together with other ballroom dances is of course a different story, howerver most people that learned salsa in ballroom studios don't go beyond very basic salsa dancing, that indeed consists of a few figures. I mean nothing wrong with that either, just I want to point out that many things are different depending where you actually dance

Ballroom salsa teaching video


Club salsa in NY

I was not specifically talking about Salsa when I mentioned body rise, just hesitation steps in general.

For Salsa specifically, there's a hesitation in every basic, so should be 2nd nature to any Salsa dancer.
1 2 3 Hold 5 6 7 Hold
Find yourself off time milk one of the Holds until you're back.
 

vit

Active Member
#29
In salsa nobody calls that hesitation or hold, and nobody stops moving either, it's just that you do a step lasting two beats ...
 
#30
In salsa nobody calls that hesitation or hold, and nobody stops moving either, it's just that you do a step lasting two beats ...
Symantics, hold, hesitation, slow, 2 beats, whatever, milk it for whatever additional beats is needed and you're back on time.
 

tangotime

Well-Known Member
#31
For Salsa specifically, there's a hesitation in every basic, so should be 2nd nature to any Salsa dancer.
1 2 3 Hold 5 6 7 Hold


.
That, is the very thing one should NOT do in salsa. The QQ "hold".

I would concede, at the very beginning of learning the foundation steps, there may be a slight pause, but, the objective for anyone who wishes to pursue the "dance" to the next level, then " blending "the Fwd and Back basic to create smoothness, is what distinguishes the great dancers from the average .

This is not to say that, it will immediately cure timing problems , but will put them on a better pathway for how to "use " the music , and maximise ,the 4 beats in the bar .
 

vit

Active Member
#32
That, is the very thing one should NOT do in salsa. The QQ "hold".
Yes. It's not just about semantics, so in a way hold, hesitation, slow, 2 beats are all the same, but different words ring different bells in heads of the people. So it's not the same.
 
#33
That, is the very thing one should NOT do in salsa. The QQ "hold".

I would concede, at the very beginning of learning the foundation steps, there may be a slight pause, but, the objective for anyone who wishes to pursue the "dance" to the next level, then " blending "the Fwd and Back basic to create smoothness, is what distinguishes the great dancers from the average .

This is not to say that, it will immediately cure timing problems , but will put them on a better pathway for how to "use " the music , and maximise ,the 4 beats in the bar .
Yes, I agree. In any Dance you should be working toward smoothness and fluidity. In foxtrot the slow sould smoothly blend with quicks, the 1,2,3 in Waltz should be invisible to a observer. I was merely speaking of a trick or technique if you prefer, that if you find yourself stepping your 1 step on the 3 count a way to find your way back to taking the 1 step on the 1 count.
 

tangotime

Well-Known Member
#34
I was merely speaking of a trick or technique if you prefer, that if you find yourself stepping your 1 step on the 3 count a way to find your way back to taking the 1 step on the 1 count.
A simpler way, is to do a Rock step, which is more in keeping with foundational movements, of which this one is key..
 

tangotime

Well-Known Member
#37
Ballroom salsa teaching video



]
On the very 1st step, there are3 very common faults ( and this is with Prof's (?.. !! ).

# 1.. That is NOT an Open break, its a Separation break

#2.. the guy seems to step "under" his forward break step., no sign of body moves, foot catches principle .

#3,..The back breaks , would do justice to F/trot !!.

Didn't watch any more, it makes my eyes bleed :(
 

Dance Ads