In search of hardcore salsa music

#1
So, over the last few months I've acquired a lot of semi-hardcore salsa music.

I consider softcore any modern salsa, and I believe it's largely undanceable. Then you have moderately hardcore, stuff like Tito Nieves, some of Oscar D'Leon, etc.

Semi-hardcore I believe is what I have a lot of: Fania albums, a lot of El Gran Combo, Ray Barretto, Willie Rosario, Spanish Harlem Orchestera, and so on and so forth. While some of this stuff is played at congresses, more often than not, watching video clips I hear amazing salsa music that I've never heard before!

After listening for hours to my collection, I have come to realize that a lot of the music that I have is not as "hard sounding" as I like or as is played by good DJs. So, can anyone recommend really hardcore, heavy salsa? Music in which you can achieve that salsa trance? Some examples of what I'm looking for is some Richie Ray and Bobby Cruz stuff (Grandes Exitos CD, favorite is Sonido Bestial), some Tito Puente songs, (but not those that sound like very old school mambo). I like Jimmy Bosch a lot too. Also, Cesta All Stars comes to mind.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?? :)

Gracias!
 
#2
Try looking for descargas instead of Salsa. It is a type of music that was popular during the pre salsa era of the early 70s. Which is nothing more than wide open Jam Sessions ala alegre all stars. Musicians improvised for the duration of the song. Descargas are commonly mistaken as Salsa, but they could be of any form. They aren't as popular today, although you can still find them here and there by the likes of Bobby Valentin, SHO, Jimmy Bosch, Wayne Gorbea, Sonora Ponceña, etc... usually today's hard hitters still throw a track or two there.

You can also check NY Style guaguanco's commonly referred to as "Salsa". This style that became know as the new sound called Salsa was popular from the early 60 to about 72. The rhythmic base is more involved so it makes the music sound "heavier" and more drawing.


By your examples, it seems that what you consider hardcore is fast paced Salsa such as:

La Pelota - Ray Barretto
Timbalero - El Gran Combo
Descarga - Bobby Valentin
Miarame San Miguel - Brooklyn Sounds
Libre Soy - Brooklyn Sounds
Anabacoa - Groupo Folklroico Y Experimental Nuevayorquino
El Cumbanchero - Ismael Rivera
Mumbo Jumbo - Los Flamboyan
Alabanciosa - Manny Oquendo
Plante Bandera - Tommy Olivencia

The heavy hitters of Salsa aren't considered so by speed of their songs, rather the richness of the music, some of them are below. Of which Ray Barretto is very well on of them. Also take a look at Eddie Palmieri Stuff, he was always on the front of new stuff. Too was La Flamboyan...

Porque Adore - Los Flamboyan
Tengo Un Tumba - Fuego 77
Diferente - Fuego 77
Avisale - La Muralla
La Formula Triunfo - La Consagracion
La Suerte - La Consagracion
Maestro De KungFu - La Consagracion
Colombia Te Canto - Eddie Palmieri
Ajiaco Caliente - Eddie Palmieri
Bilongo - Eddie Palmieri
Los Cueros Me LLaman - Eddie Palmieri
Mi Debilidad - Ismael Quintana
Tambo - Ismael Quintana
La China De Mi Barrio - Javier Vazquez
Se Formo La Rumbantela - Javier Vazquez
Silencio - La Conspiracion
SERA - La Conspiracion
Biribo - La Terrifica
Sueltala - Larry Harlow
Arsenio - Larry Harlow
Ahi Na'Ma - La Differente

Bands that you may want to check out are: La Terrifica, La Conspiracion, La Protesta, La Conquistadora, La Conspiracion, La Capri, La Cabala, La Muralla, La Crema, get the hint? If you find a band with "La" in front of their name, check out their music! Don't forget La Tipica 73...

Hope that helps you some...

The list is from my head, so I might have mixed stuff that isn't really fast as fast or medium when it really is fast.
 
#3
So cool! Thanks a lot for the reply. I happened to have "Timbalero - El Gran Combo" at work - and no, that's not the stuff that I'm looking for. I got plenty of that. Also, speed has something to do with it, yes, but richness is more of what I'm going for. I'll listen to the Eddie Palmieri songs you mentioned since I think I have most of his popular music. But, except him and Larry Harlow I truly haven't heard of any of the "La" bands! :) The thing with Palmieri and Barretto is that outside of their strict salsa music, everything else is jazz and pretty much undanceable, that's why aside from "Salsa Caliente De Nu York" from Ray Barretto I can't find many other real salsa songs. I'll see if I can find the music you specified.

Thanks again for the detailed reply!!
 
#4
Although Ray has a great amount of Jazzy songs. He as well has a great number of Salsa tracks... Here is a list.

Mi Ritmo Te Llama
Son Con Cuero Y Boogaloo
Ahora Si - WEPA!!!!
Prestame Tu Mujer
No Me Paren La Salsa
LLanto De Cocodrilo
Indestructible
Que Viva La Musica
Fuerza Gigante
El Diablo
Alfia Cumaye
Fiesta En El Bronx
El Hijo De Obatala
Guarare - Holy Smack! I love this song!
Brunca Manigua
Ay No
Al Ver Sus Campos Lloro - =( Sad song.
Invitacion Al Son
Adelante Siempre
Ban Ban Quere
 
#5
borikensalsero said:
Colombia Te Canto - Eddie Palmieri
Ajiaco Caliente - Eddie Palmieri
Bilongo - Eddie Palmieri
Arsenio - Larry Harlow
I did a search and found these songs on my computer apparently... You are right on!!! I'll make sure to find the other songs and bands you mentioned. Thanks for your help!
 
#6
wow I'll be looking up boriken's list next time i want to purchase cds! good stuff. I always forget the artist names after the djs tell me

geNus if the clips you're watching are from imambo.tv most times someone has posted the name of the artist and song title under the clip (or you can post and ask).

and from my few CDs, I think Alfredo de La Fey and Roberto Roena are great too
 
#7
Try Tito Puente's Top Percussion album - more afrocentric, and percussion and bass-heavy than a lot of salsa and a nice contrast to the mellowness of the old school mambo and cha-cha-cha's on Tito's Dance Mania record, which is another favourite of mine. Top Percussion is not easy listening though - well not for me - which is why I would classify it as "hardcore". probably not strictly salsa either. A lot of stuff released by Edie Palmieri in the 60s is pretty good as well.
 
#8
Here are some more examples of type of music that I'm looking for... And a lot of such music can be found on "Latin Spectrum" as well as "The Nuyorican Funk Experience" series of albums.

Cesta All Stars - El Quinto de Beethoven
Har-You Percussion Group - Welcome to the Party
Charlie Palmieri - Muneca
Louie Ramirez - Botando Candela
Hector Rivera y Su Orquesta - Tumba el quinto
Tipica 73 - Balla que balla
 
#10
genEus said:
Here are some more examples of type of music that I'm looking for... And a lot of such music can be found on "Latin Spectrum" as well as "The Nuyorican Funk Experience" series of albums.

Cesta All Stars - El Quinto de Beethoven
Har-You Percussion Group - Welcome to the Party
Charlie Palmieri - Muneca
Louie Ramirez - Botando Candela
Hector Rivera y Su Orquesta - Tumba el quinto
Tipica 73 - Balla que balla
Cesta All Stars has a version of El Quinto De Beethoven? I'd love to hear it. Need to find it....

Did you really mean the name of la Tipica 73 song to be Balla que Balla? Or is it the one titled Baila que Baila.

With your taste you shouldn't have any problems finding great stuff!
 
#11
borikensalsero said:
Cesta All Stars has a version of El Quinto De Beethoven? I'd love to hear it. Need to find it....

Did you really mean the name of la Tipica 73 song to be Balla que Balla? Or is it the one titled Baila que Baila.

With your taste you shouldn't have any problems finding great stuff!
I'm assuming it's Baila que Baila - the album has it misspelled.
 

Josh

Active Member
#13
salsaverde said:
Try Tito Puente's Top Percussion album - more afrocentric, and percussion and bass-heavy than a lot of salsa and a nice contrast to the mellowness of the old school mambo and cha-cha-cha's on Tito's Dance Mania record, which is another favourite of mine. Top Percussion is not easy listening though - well not for me - which is why I would classify it as "hardcore". probably not strictly salsa either. A lot of stuff released by Edie Palmieri in the 60s is pretty good as well.
This album may be "hardcore," but it's not the hardcore salsa genus is looking for I'm pretty sure. This is very african as you mention, mostly percussion (as the name implies), and from what I recall not danceable with any kind of mainstream salsa that we're used to. Cool to listen to if you're in the right mood, but not good club dancing music at all :)
 

Josh

Active Member
#14
One problem I have with these classic old school CDs is that I want to listen to the tracks first, but no online sites have samples. cduniverse.com has more than amazon.com, and mp3.com has even more samples, but they still don't have anywhere near enough...
 
#15
Josh said:
One problem I have with these classic old school CDs is that I want to listen to the tracks first, but no online sites have samples. cduniverse.com has more than amazon.com, and mp3.com has even more samples, but they still don't have anywhere near enough...
True! And a lot of these albums are like $20 each, but without samples I don't wanna pay that much money to just get a mystery CD...
 
#17
Josh said:
This album may be "hardcore," but it's not the hardcore salsa genus is looking for I'm pretty sure. This is very african as you mention, mostly percussion (as the name implies), and from what I recall not danceable with any kind of mainstream salsa that we're used to. Cool to listen to if you're in the right mood, but not good club dancing music at all :)
mmm nice imma haveta check that out :D bet it's a slammer for fast footwork :cool:
 
#18
if anyone can guarantee that any of these CDs never get club play, I'd be grateful.
for me dancing is much more creative with unknown songs, that's why i dont own a lot of salsa music
 
#20
alemana said:
i'm reduced to hearing things first, figuring out the title, then tracking them down. an adventure.
I feel your pain!!! It's so hard to track down good salsa songs when you don't know spanish well enough. I hear good songs on the radio and when I dance all the time, but I have no idea what the names are or who the artists are. I only shop for salsa music in stores that let you preview the CD's because I don't want to buy a CD only to have few to no good songs on them.
 

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