Is moving and grooving a sin?

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Dirty dancing
Is moving and grooving a sin? Many believe it is

By Danielle Komis
DAILY Staff Writer

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Here are a couple of gems...

You grow up and you're taught that alcohol and dance and cards are wrong. That's the mentality that existed here for so long.
Yet, in the same areas that are against dancing, why is there always plenty of alcohol?

"Once you start the hand-holding, how far would it go?" Stowe said.
Well, at least when dancing, everyone is in plain site, so it shouldn't be going much further than dance position ;-)
 

pygmalion

Well-Known Member
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Geez o whiz, guys, Could somebody please post something that I don't have to walk a tightrope to answer? :twisted: :lol:

Living in the Bible belt IS different (speaking from the perspective of somebody who moved here, just shy of two years ago.) Alcohol and cards and dancing ARE wrong, to a lot of people.

So, from my observation, there are a lot of people out there who are very deeply concerned about the moral implications of their own dancing, either in the context of their relationships with God, with their spouses, or in terms of general exposure to undesirable influences.

Their view is valid. I vehemently disagree. But their view is valid.
 

pygmalion

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It's about religion. So understanding isn't really relevant, IMO. It's about belief systems. *shrug* What can I say? I was raised with the belief system that lots of things are wrong but that dancing is okay. So hey. I dance. But, if I'd been raised differently, I have no idea how I'd feel about dance.

Having grown up with it, I never underestimate the power of childhood guilt. :lol:
 
#5
Oy. I've met a few people who said that growing up they were told that dancing is as bad as drinking or gambling. I can't understand it.
While Christian, my beliefs also differ from those who do not dance, although I find interesting the positions others take on such matters. For example, there is a Christian college near us that prohibits its staff, faculty and students from participating in social dance. Here's the relevant part of its {non working url removed}
In order to enhance and preserve the ethos of Taylor University, social dancing by community members is not permitted on or away from campus. However, acceptable forms of expression by the University may include sanctioned folk dances, ethnic games, dancing at weddings not in campus facilities, dances that are designed to worship God, and the use of choreography in drama, musical productions, and athletic events.
Except to say that my beliefs differ, I make no judgement on the above, except that it is interesting.

Grace and Peace,

Jay
 

pygmalion

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Exactly, Jay. Belief systems abound. Pretty much all of them are weird, from the outside, IMO. So who am I to judge?


My belief system says that dancing is about enjoyment and rejoicing and sometimes even praise. Good for me, 'cause I get to dance without guilting myself.

But other people believe different things. Okay. I understand. *shrug* :cool:
 

NielsenE

Active Member
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Personally, I think Terry Pratchett said it best in Going Postal in his usual fashion...
" But you can't treat religion as a sort of buffet, can you? I mean, you can't say 'Yes please, I'll have some of the Celestial Paradise and a helping of the Divine Plan but go easy on the kneeling and none of the Prohibition of Images, they give me wind.'"
 

Peaches

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I wasn't raised with that kind of mindset--exactly. But, my mother still has a lot of issues with me dancing with other men. She doesn't quite connect it, I don't think, but I do.

She was raised, both at home and at the religious (Seventh Day Adventist) boarding schools she went to, that dancing was a sin. As was drinking, smoking, and playing cards. (I was never allowed to play cards growing up--too much akin to gambling.) My grandfather still believes that way.

Except now he's got Alzheimer's (sp?). Which is horrible, but now and again it yields some positive results. Like open-mindedness, in his case. He danced for the first time ever with my grandmother at my cousin's wedding. And LOVED it. He was so excited, he called to tell me about it.

Faith is a funny thing...
 
#10
... my mother still has a lot of issues with me dancing with other men.
I think that's common among people who are not personally invovled in the dance community. For many of them, dancing is for romance and only for romance.

After we started going to our studio dance, we quickly understood the concept of dance for its own sake, not as a means of accomplishing anything else. IOW, in our scene (and, I suspect in most ballroom scenes) people are there to dance ... just dance. I suspect that's what leads to another thing l like about the scene; no rejection.

But you almost have to experience this dance culture to understand it. It's understandable that parents and others outside the community (including religious leaders) might not.

-I_J
 
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Unfortunately, this attitude isn't restricted to the southern areas! I grew up in PA and western NY and was never allowed to dance.
I was tickled by the remark at the end that "we're not smokin' or drinkin', just bumpin' and grindin'!"
The people at my church know I dance--I think they don't understand it but don't outright disapprove. We've actually gotten some others to start dancing, too, so we figure the dancers will outnumber the non-dancers eventually. Ironically, our church meets in a former night club!
 
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I think that's common among people who are not personally invovled in the dance community. For many of them, dancing is for romance and only for romance.

After we started going to our studio dance, we quickly understood the concept of dance for its own sake, not as a means of accomplishing anything else. IOW, in our scene (and, I suspect in most ballroom scenes) people are there to dance ... just dance. I suspect that's what leads to another thing l like about the scene; no rejection.

But you almost have to experience this dance culture to understand it. It's understandable that parents and others outside the community (including religious leaders) might not.

-I_J
Most non-dancers don't understand why I don't want to only dance with my husband. And for the people that disapprove to begin with, this just makes it worse. My mother said once that she could see why my husband would be jealous of me dancing with my teacher (at a C&W competition, for heaven's sake!)
 

cornutt

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I thought that URL looked familiar... This is my neck of the woods. Decatur is about a 20-minute drive from where I'm sitting right now. Will have more to say about this later. Short answer is, it's a cultural thing that's more complicated than most people realize.
 
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I believe the problem is age- and education- specific.

Older folks tend to look at physical contact as either entree to sex or worse (LOL) because they were brought up in the famed Judeo-Christian tradition that implies that anything that feels really good MUST be evil. Card playing? That's an anomaly - but tell me how holding cards in your hand is more evil than, say, marrying three wives or eating specific meats or such...

Education makes it easy to actually do research and hear alternate viewpoints. It is not to be confused with intelligence - education gives you tools, intelligence is the ability to use the tools...

Is it right to actually believe that something that merely represents an action or idea is inherently bad or good? I'd hope that the people who hold the cross, the flag, or such look to the ancient bible admonishment that you do not pray to idols...
 
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Card playing = gambling = bad. There's that connection, at least the way i was raised.
Well, at least we still have Bingo, Lotteries, "Casino Night" and all the other fine moneyraising schemes that the local Church feels are NOT gambling... glad they pinned down gambling to one specific game, too - since nobody even gambles when watching sports etc....
 

pygmalion

Well-Known Member
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Hey. Lots of belief systems have holes in them. But, when it's my beliefs, I overlook the holes, 'cause they're in my blind spot. When it's your beliefs, I make fun, because I can see. Eh. Six of one. Half dozen of the other, IMO.
 
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Hey. Lots of belief systems have holes in them. But, when it's my beliefs, I overlook the holes, 'cause they're in my blind spot. When it's your beliefs, I make fun, because I can see. Eh. Six of one. Half dozen of the other, IMO.
Just don't impose them on others, then. Dancing's a sin? Then I say that eating potato chips is a sin. let's pass the law....
 
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Well, at least we still have Bingo, Lotteries, "Casino Night" and all the other fine moneyraising schemes that the Church feels are NOT gambling... glad they pinned down gambling to one specific game, too - since nobody even gambles when watching sports etc....
I find it necessary to use references to "the Church" with care. While many (if not most) Christians believe there is one Church, we also understand that different denominations (and even individuals within denominations) interpret scripture differently. I would hesitate to base any implication that the Christian Church as a whole is hypocritical on the fact that some congregations prohibit card playing while others sponsor bingo games. Now, if a specific congregation both prohibited card playing and sponsored bingo games, I could see how that could be confusing.

That's about as far as I'd like to see this thread drift from dance-related discussion. While scholarly discussions of religious issues can be interesting and helpful, this is probably not the most appropriate venue.

Grace and Peace,

Jay
 

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