Lyrics & Musicality

#1
New thread, since I don't want to hijack the Amenabar / 3-3-2 thread.

To what extent do lyrics influence your musicality? Tangos are often tragedies in the classical sense: Things are good, but someone's fatal flaw, or some such complication, gets in the way, and then things are bad. Midway through many tangos, they quit feeling like "Two hearts beating as one", and feel like "One sad and lonely heart". Even milongas, which dancers sometimes consider to be "happy" music, are often not. The first stanza of 'Negra Maria' celebrates the birth of a beautiful black girl on carnival. The second mourns her death, also on carnival. Etc.

I have been trying to move these emotional arcs into my dance, but find it difficult to do effectively. Anyone else?
 

sixela

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#4
The lyrics and the music are often at odds with each other with respect to the mood, BTW.

Just listen to "Todo te Nombra" sung by Ernesto Famá (you'd be forgiven for thinking he just finds it curious that everything reminds him of 'her'), the frenetic Biagi version of "A la Luz del Candil", or the Troilo/Fiorentino version of "Toda mi Vida". It's really hard not to make the musical mood dominate your emotional response completely, lyrics be damned.

On the other hand, by the end of Di Sarli/Podestá's "Junto a tu Corazón", it's hard not to transform into the little blob of black despair that is the narrator of the song.
 
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#5
Am I to assume that portenos simply adopted a "Cambalache" attitude? The world is so totally screwed up that we will just ignore the tragedy and dance?
 

dchester

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#6
The lyrics and the music are often at odds with each other with respect to the mood, BTW.

Just listen to "Todo te Nombra" sung by Ernesto Famá (you'd be forgiven for thinking he just finds it curious that everything reminds him of 'her'), the frenetic Biagi version of "A la Luz del Candil", or the Troilo/Fiorentino version of "Toda mi Vida". It's really hard not to make the musical mood dominate your emotional response completely, lyrics be damned.

On the other hand, by the end of Di Sarli/Podestá's "Junto a tu Corazón", it's hard not to transform into the little blob of black despair that is the narrator of the song.
Very true. For me, I go with the music.
 
#7
First, I don't understand Spanish, so the lyrics if anything are distraction. It's particularly true when the singer is not in tune with the rhythm of the dance.
I also believe that music is the language of the soul while lyrics - of the brain. When I dance I don't want to burden my mind with anything other the the dancing to the music and moving in tandem with my partner.
 

newbie

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#9
It influences me to some extent. Like, if I dance on Skyfall OST and I know the "Put your hand in my hand" sentence is coming, I will drop the follower's hand, and retake it when the sentence is heard. Yet on Asi se baila el tango, I won't try to lead all the moves that Castillo is listing.
 
#10
It influences me to some extent. Like, if I dance on Skyfall OST and I know the "Put your hand in my hand" sentence is coming, I will drop the follower's hand, and retake it when the sentence is heard. Yet on Asi se baila el tango, I won't try to lead all the moves that Castillo is listing.
This is exactly what I want to avoid: having someone indirectly communicating with my brain, influencing my actions. I want the music to speak to my soul!
 
#11
Interesting. However it might be useful to understand the lyrics if only to understand better the culture that created the dance.
Yes, I think it's important to understand the culture. That's why read about it, watch video documentaries etc. - even at times read the lyrics on various sites. I don't want any cerebral interference on the dancing floor...
 

Zoopsia59

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#12
Since I don't speak Spanish, for me the vocal is another instrument. Sometimes it is an instrument that I wish wasn't playing and other times, it adds an element that enriches the overall piece. In either case, the actual lyrics are irrelevant because I don't know what is being said.
 

sixela

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#15
Examples?

I sure don't play anything at a milonga that I do not consider dance music...yet I love sung tangos. Is the Laurenz/Podestá version of Nunca Tuvo Novio a showpiece for Alberto Podestá? You bet. Is it pure poetry, and something I love to dance? You bet.

Some people don't play Troilo/Marino and claim that's not "music for dancing" and say something very similar to what you just claimed. I consider that utter hogwash, and I always frenetically search for a suitable dance partner when it's played. But of course, that's only my personal opinion. Feel free to think otherwise, but allow me to gnash my teeth ;-).

I'd have to add that for most contemporary porteños (who usually don't dance), the lyrics are everything. To them (and in part to me), that is tango.
 
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dchester

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#16
Examples?

I sure don't play anything at a milonga that I do not consider dance music...yet I love sung tangos. Is the Laurenz/Podestá version of Nunca Tuvo Novio a showpiece for Alberto Podestá? You bet. Is it pure poetry, and something I love to dance? You bet.

Some people don't play Troilo/Marino and claim that's not "music for dancing" and say something very similar to what you just claimed. I consider that utter hogwash, and I always frenetically search for a suitable dance partner when it's played. But of course, that's only my personal opinion. Feel free to think otherwise, but allow me to gnash my teeth ;-).

I'd have to add that for most contemporary porteños (who usually don't dance), the lyrics are everything. To them (and in part to me), that is tango.
It's interesting how different people like different things. For me the debate is rarely whether the music is for dancing (as it pretty much all is, IMO). For me it's more about does the song move me to want to dance to it.

While I am a huge fan of Pedro Laurenz and Alberto Podesta, Nunca Tuvo Novio doesn't move me as much as some other songs do. I certainly don't have a problem dancing to it, though.

 

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