New Melina & Detlef vids uploaded

JohnEm

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Ant, they've circulated a post of dates recently and commented they are
on their own website, as quoted here:


In case this does not work, you can also watch two of them on our site:
http://www.tangodesalon.de/tangovideos/EtonDArienzo2010.mov
http://www.tangodesalon.de/tangovideos/EtonDiSarli2010.mov
Thanks for information, it has been helpful.

I have now looked on their website as you suggested

http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/trans...ww.tangodesalon.de/&lp=de_en&.intl=uk&fr=ieas

and can see only two of the three performances have been posted. I know all three were videoed as I stood next to the guy that did the filming. (I thnk it was Andreas Witcher doing the filming but I can be wrong) and I notice on D+M's schedule for 2011 they are doing a Devonian weekender so I guess that will be in collaboration with Andreas Witcher. Attending those workshops will be study in the detail of Salon Tango thats for sure.
 

JohnEm

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Thanks for information, it has been helpful.

I have now looked on their website as you suggested

http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/trans...ww.tangodesalon.de/&lp=de_en&.intl=uk&fr=ieas

and can see only two of the three performances have been posted. I know all three were videoed as I stood next to the guy that did the filming. (I thnk it was Andreas Witcher doing the filming but I can be wrong) and I notice on D+M's schedule for 2011 they are doing a Devonian weekender so I guess that will be in collaboration with Andreas Witcher. Attending those workshops will be study in the detail of Salon Tango thats for sure.
I stayed away from Eton on Saturday evening on the grounds
Baldwin Hall would be packed. Lovely hall though it is, it isn't
the easiest for navigation when busy. Sunday evening was ok.

I'll know more about D&M after next month.
 

opendoor

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tangodesalon

The link to D&M´s site tangodesalon.de

Here are some videos of our demonstrations at balls or milongas. As you can see, we forego choreographies and costumes and show exactly what we teach: tango de salón.


Pensalo Bien
Tango - Juan D'Arienzo , Atumn Tango, Eton , 10/ 2010

Patotero Sentimental
Tango - Carlos di Sarli, Atumn Tango, Eton , 10/ 2010

Esta noche de luna
Tango - Carlos di Sarli , TriANGulO, New York , 3/ 2010

Bajo el cono azul
Tango - Orquesta Tipica Victor , Valentango, Portland, 2/ 2010

Soledad
Tango - Francisco Canaro, Salon Canning, Buenos Aires, 11/ 2009

Yo no se porque razon
Tango - Enrique Rodriguez, Club Sin Rumbo, Buenos Aires, 11/ 2009

and so on.....
http://www.tangodesalon.de
 

bordertangoman

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I stayed away from Eton on Saturday evening on the grounds
Baldwin Hall would be packed. Lovely hall though it is, it isn't
the easiest for navigation when busy. Sunday evening was ok.

I'll know more about D&M after next month.
Well I was in Cambridge, and it wasnt anything like as crowded as previous all nighters; some nice dancers; D&M are a bit OCD for my taste...
 

JohnEm

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D&M are a bit OCD for my taste...
HaHa - assuming you mean obsessive about details and compulsive in their teaching?
Is that a Disorder? They seem very, very Ordered to me.

Perhaps too ordered and contrived? It's only observation though based on
video and seen personally at milongas. Perhaps the Disorder part comes
from being left with an odd feeling of unnaturalness when watching them!

Don't get me wrong here though. Their concentration on salon/apilado
is very welcome. And people who constantly teach, constantly looking
for ways to get their constructive message across, must find it very difficult
to abandon all that and dance naturally. Indeed I suspect that with their popularity
they must always feel to be on show to a certain extent.
 

bordertangoman

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its all very Germanic unt precieisz:
Vorsprung durch Technik

I have no problems with what they teach; their dancing leaves me looking for a bucket, and his posture in this video is a bit arsy rather than valsy

 

JohnEm

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I have no problems with what they teach; their dancing leaves me looking for a bucket, and his posture in this video is a bit arsy rather than valsy
Even I wouldn't go that far, and I'm a blunt northerner!

However, that seems to date from 2004 and their style has changed
since then. In fact, apart from the now absent bent legs, it seems more
natural & flowy than how they dance currently which is somehow stiff.
But no, it wasn't very vals-like and missed a connection with the music.
That was then, this is now and both dancers and teachers change.

Maybe indeed their dance now looks rather mechanical so I'll go along with this:
its all very Germanic unt precieisz:
Vorsprung durch Technik
but I've no idea if I would be any different if I was having to be so
permanently aware of what I was doing in order to teach it.
After all Melina has said in the interview just posted that she teaches
more than dances. How would any of us be?

From:
http://tangocommuter1.blogspot.com/2010/10/interview-with-melina-sedo-part-i.html
Melina:
In my heart, I’d say just Tanguera, but these days I just don’t get enough time.


It's a good interview and quite revealing of the conflicts teachers suffer.
 

bordertangoman

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Even I wouldn't go that far, and I'm a blunt northerner!

However, that seems to date from 2004 and their style has changed
since then. In fact, apart from the now absent bent legs, it seems more
natural & flowy than how they dance currently which is somehow stiff.
But no, it wasn't very vals-like and missed a connection with the music.
That was then, this is now and both dancers and teachers change.

Maybe indeed their dance now looks rather mechanical so I'll go along with this:

but I've no idea if I would be any different if I was having to be so
permanently aware of what I was doing in order to teach it.
After Melina has said in the interview just posted that she teaches
more than dances. How would any of us be?

From:
http://tangocommuter1.blogspot.com/2010/10/interview-with-melina-sedo-part-i.html
Melina:
In my heart, I’d say just Tanguera, but these days I just don’t get enough time.


It's a good interview and quite revealing of the conflicts teachers suffer.
unfortunately i couldnt watch the .mov s on my PC to see if their style has changed
but maybe as you imply they're overly self conscious.

i watched their Bramshaw performances; his posture looks better; but now she has the dreaded spider claw embrace and their musicality seems robotic.

PS: maybe you've been too long in the South?
 

opendoor

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Re: D&M

I browsed Detlef and Melina´s homepage (w ww.tangodesalon.de) to find some information about their teachers, and actually found nothing "eye-opening".

One thing made me wonder, I like El Indio, his large steps, his elastic hold, his dynamic lead.. But tell me, why is El Indio listed at the first position of D&M´s influences. I cannot find anything in their dancing that resembles Indio´s style, except Detlef´s toe-first steps.

compare on YT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvci7yTkbYI
 

bordertangoman

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I browsed Detlef and Melina´s homepage (w ww.tangodesalon.de) to find some information about their teachers, and actually found nothing "eye-opening".

One thing made me wonder, I like El Indio, his large steps, his elastic hold, his dynamic lead.. But tell me, why is El Indio listed at the first position of D&M´s influences. I cannot find anything in their dancing that resembles Indio´s style, except Detlef´s toe-first steps.

compare....
[YT]Wvci7yTkbYI[/yt]
that is so much nicer..never seen El Indio before but it has all the qualities Detlef doesnt show.......

say lavvy....
 

JohnEm

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i watched their Bramshaw performances; his posture looks better; but now she has the dreaded spider claw embrace and their musicality seems robotic.
I love it!! We've gone now from the mechanical to the robotic!! :D

Yes jantango (don't swear) has missed that one out from her recent blog
postings of the different embraces by the woman.

http://jantango.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/how-do-you-hug-your-dance-partner/
http://jantango.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/how-do-you-hug-your-partner-part-2/#comments

Melina's is a cross between the "Gripper" and the "Crow's Foot", it's weird
to be following someone down the room with that embrace. All you see is
this disembodied arm as if it had been thrown over a wall. Ugly, ugly and
has a strange feel too. Perhaps we could call it "The Hanging Crow's Foot".

And then there's "The Hinge" but I won't blame Melina for that one.

PS: maybe you've been too long in the South?
You implying I've gone soft? Call it mellow . . . . oh ok, maybe not.
 

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