Whaaaat? I didn't think we were talking about Santo Rico...I have only danced with two of them and they were both fabulous. I haven't danced with any of the others though, so if they were rough then lucky me, I missed out on those dances, lol!
I thought we were talking about Vitico and his people.
Also, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying names...I mean no offense against the people I say are rough...it doesn't at ALL mean they are bad people, they are just rough leads! And this is in my humble opinion only, so they can feel free to discount that opinion if they like.
My observation is that starting the spin on the 1 is the norm in New York. I asked my instructor who is from New York - "Spin on 1 or 2?". He said technically it should be on 2 and that was the way it was. Then teams like Santo Rico started spinning on the 1 so they could fit in an extra spin for performances. This caught on and became the norm. Some of the advanced New Yorkers will pull out 5 spins on beats 1,2,3,4,5. Pretty impressive to watch.
My other instructor from San Diego prefers a double to be on 2,3. Triple or more starts on 1. She likes the double on 2,3 because that is on clave.
Perhaps the New Yorkers here can enlighten us more on how they do it.
As for the CBL on 3, I've never heard of that one. 1 opens that track for her to step across on 2. If you led it on 3, her inside turns would be off time. The turn on a CBL inside turn has to be on 2& (2-and): the follow has committed her weight on the left foot on 2. Before she commits her weight with her right foot on 3 you spin her. Taking advantage of weight transfer makes her light.
I'm not familiar with the term coke. Copa you spin on 2 - from an open break, follow completes her 1/2 left turn on 1 and then you spin her on 2.
The best way to figure out what count to spin the follow on for any move is to learn the follow's foot work for that move. You don't want to spin her when her weight is on the wrong foot - if you do she is going to be heavy and scrambling to switch to the correct foot; bad experience for both.
For example, above I said CBL inside turn, start spinning her on 2&. Her weight is fully commited on her left foot. She has forward momentum because she is moving forward to step on 3. You are raising her arm in preperation for the spin which converts the forward momentum to upward momentum which makes her lighter. She is centered. You spin her on her left foot before she has commited weight to her right foot. That is what I mean by taking advantage of the correct weight transfer.
What if discover you are off time? Then don't force the move. Let go and break into shines. Or look or feel where her feet are and lead her when she has the weight on the correct foot. Worry about getting back on time after the move rather than punish her for your mistakes.
Get there Saturday afternoon, -try- to hit Worldtone for new shoes since I'm due for my next pair, and maybe hit the Milonga in Central Park to check out some Argentine Tango action. Still figuring out what else I can squeeze in before dinner and getting ready for Saturday night Sunday's the Brazilian festival right in front of the hotel and Frankie's class. Beyond that, I'm sure there's plenty to do...
still mulling over what to do about the congress. i swore last year i was done with it, but my best salsa friend wants to go one night at least. i'd prefer to skip it and just go to Jimmy's.... which will doubtless become impossibly crowded soon after it opens.
Rethink Frankie's class?? Nono, I expect to see you there. Just stock up on your choice of energy drinks and/or energy bars and tough it out. Might as well get as much dancing in as you can while you're in NYC.
soemone... was it Beto... was looking for something else to fill up their Saturday before the social?? what about checking out the Central Park Roller Skaters? click on the link below and see the video of them skating/dancing. It is great!! all kinds of people skating together to soul/funk music, and many folks are on old-school roller skates. some guys skate while balancing bottled water on their heads. it's loads of fun to watch, and the vibe is reminiscent of NYC in the old days, when it was more er... FUN!!