Pet Peeves

#1
Here are mine:

:evil: She'll be back :evil: : No emotions or playfulness when dancing, intense focus on each move, no eye contact, must... resist... emotions...

:evil: Bikhram Salsa :evil: : Heat makes your limbs limber and more flexible, hence bar owners turn off the air conditioning when there are 100+ people in a crowded room. Because everyone loves a sweaty back.

:evil: 'Salsa' DJs :evil: : 3 minutes salsa + 2 hours bachata + 2 hours cha cha + 4 minutes merengue + 20 minutes lambada + 20 minutes samba = SALSA nights!

What's yours?
 
#2
lol

:lol: Too funny your posts brujo...
I live in NY City so all the places we frequent each day is about 95% salsa all night long. :D :D :D :D :D

Mine are...
Everyone here in NY City is an instructor
A person goes to eddie torres all of the sudden they are gods gift to dancing,
No emotion when dancing,
No eye contact,
Too many spins and moves and not enough dancing,
Everyones fav singer is lavoe yet fail to recognize his voice in way famous song
Dance Cliquesssssss....
Too much politicas when we should be dancing...
 

youngsta

Active Member
#3
Man you both hit most of mine! I'll add visiting a new city where you're not known and not being able to even beg a dance! Then once you finally do get one and they all see you're pretty good, everyone wants to dance with you!
 
#7
Well here are mine:

1. Guys pushing and pulling their partners (Hey it gives us
guys a bad rep. and personally I don't what that guy to be
my representative at a club for someone new to salsa dancing...)

2. Dancing with both feet on the floor, not moving, but
spinning the crap out of each other.

3. Moving arms like they're churning butter...
 

pygmalion

Well-Known Member
#8
Salsarhythms,

You will not believe this, but it's true. About three months ago, I complained to my teacher/coach about a 300-pound guy, G., who pushed, pulled, and everything else, lots of women including me.

My coach said, "just do your part. You can train him to dance well."

Of course, I didn't believe my coach, but I decided to try it anyway. After about six weeks of rehearsals, G. started dancing light! I never said a word to him. I just danced my part so he could feel me. It took a month and a half, but he lightened up.


Lousy leads are bad, no argument. But follows need to dance their part, regardless. You never know what might happen. Guys might take the (back)lead. :)
 
#9
Re: lol

borikensalsero said:
Everyones fav singer is lavoe yet fail to recognize his voice in way famous song
Isn't this a big problem in salsa? I find that many people ( in Toronto at least ) don't speak Spanish and miss out on many of the intricate things that goes on in the lyrics.

In merengue songs particularly, there seems to be more playful instruction that are thrown in by the singer. (Put your hand up! Shake your knat! Do your income taxes in Hebrew! ).

Even more unfortunate is that some of the songs have amazing meaningful messages that are often ignored, and the songs in heavy rotation in the dance floor are usually the trite 'I think of you every moment with love and love and LUV...' songs. If you have a spare moment, read through some of Ruben Blades' lyrics, particularly 'Desapariciones' and 'Prohibido Olvidar'.

I really hope that Aventura's 'No lo perdona Dios' doesn't catch on, it's very hard to keep your mind on bachata when the song you're dancing with is condemning abortion...

my $0.02...
 
#10
dancer at heart said:
:lol: this is such a funny post!

To add to the list:

way too much (or too long) solo shines...I always thought salsa is a partner dance :wink:
That is what is great about salsa. If the couple dancing together manages to make the onlooker feel like the dancers never lost contact of each other, yet all they've done throughout the song is solo shines... That to me is the absolute partner work. Being able to dance solo with your partner yet feel the couple work within the solo is absolute extasy... A lot of people can't pull it of because they are too worried about doing their own thing that they forget the other half of the dance right across their face...
 
#11
borikensalsero said:
dancer at heart said:
:lol: this is such a funny post!

To add to the list:

way too much (or too long) solo shines...I always thought salsa is a partner dance :wink:
That is what is great about salsa. If the couple dancing together manages to make the onlooker feel like the dancers never lost contact of each other, yet all they've done throughout the song is solo shines... That to me is the absolute partner work. Being able to dance solo with your partner yet feel the couple work within the solo is absolute extasy... A lot of people can't pull it of because they are too worried about doing their own thing that they forget the other half of the dance right across their face...
When researching the word 'shines', I found a source that listed it as 'Let her shine'. I find the Spanish version of the phrase, 'Dejala que se defienda', more interesting, Dejala que se defienda loosely translates to 'Let her defend herself', which evokes the image of the follow alone on the dance floor, with swarms of dangerous dancers all around her.

While I have seen some amazing solo shines ( Dancefloor masturbation, as someone in SalsaMafia calls it ), I find it more incredible to see really good dancers play with the footwork while mantaining a strong connection with each other. Besides, it's always nice to have a beatiful woman be the set of eyes behind my back. :lol:
 
#13
Question

brujo said:
:lol:

If the couple dancing together manages to make the onlooker feel like the dancers never lost contact of each other, yet all they've done throughout the song is solo shines... That to me is the absolute partner work. Being able to dance solo with your partner yet feel the couple work within the solo is absolute extasy...

I find it more incredible to see really good dancers play with the footwork while mantaining a strong connection with each other. :lol:
How exactly does this work? How do you follow each other or maintain the connection while doing solo shines?
 
#14
Re: Question

dancer at heart said:
How exactly does this work? How do you follow each other or maintain the connection while doing solo shines?
Um, they don't do solo shines. That's my point. Footwork is incorporated into the dancing, and not isolated into solo shines.

On a side note, there is also the whole virtual salsa thing where the dancers know each other (or the patterns) so well that they don't need to be holding hands with each other, but can dance without touching each other. I've seen two of the more advanced dancers in TO try this and it's pretty amazing. I guess you would have to refrain from dips and the neckdrop :roll:
 
#16
Re: Question

dancer at heart said:
brujo said:
:lol:

How exactly does this work? How do you follow each other or maintain the connection while doing solo shines?
Hmmmm...

Have you ever been so deeply in love with someone that they don't even have to speak to you for you to know exactly what they want to say. Just by their facial/body expression you know exactly what they want and mean? Well, that is the same when you do solo shines. Because the word solo is there it doesn't mean that it is each dancer doing their own thing completely oblivious of the other person.

Another "funny" example would be mating rituals in the Animal kingdom. If you sit back and watch both animals parade around each other causing feeling and expression, although never touching, to the onlooker there is an obvious connection. They are both doing something to attract each other and for each other, what is known as action and reaction. Just because they haven't touched we would never say that there isn't a connection. They have connected, the difference being that the connection is at a deeper level than physical, I refer to this connection as either emotional or a soul connection.

To me when you dance solos the entire idea is to connect with each other. Make her feel that although you've pulled physical touch from the dance she is by no means pulled from your emotional/soul/energy connection. The dancers must feel each other, her energy, his energy... You do this literally the same way animals do their mating rituals. I think of dancing as making love. Making love doesn't start when we touch each other, but the entire events leading to the climax. The look, the smile, etc...

So in all, when you do solo shines: 1- Don't look down to the floor 2- Don't look around concentrate on the music and each other 3- Your only concern should be the feelings which come from within you caused by the music and those feelings caused by what your partner is doing. 3- Never out do the woman, if she busts out with an awe causing routine, smile, blow her a kiss, bow, in a sense, flirt and acknowledge her. 4 -Don't just stand in front of each other, move around. 5- Because the song goes in a descarga, it doesn't mean that you have to move like a chicken with the head cut off, be precise and always under control. 6- For those of you who believe in energy Keep your hands and elbows open and be shure to keep them away from your front(Chest/stomach). It "prevents" the natural flow of energy. 7- Take turns doing solo rutines, if the lady is doing her thing guys, be reserved keep the tempo, maybe doing a bit of foot work from time to time. Same goes for the ladies. The way I see it is, solo shines are like a conversation. If someone is speaking the other person should listen until it is their turn to speak. If you'd like and the song calls for it, have an argument, hehe, it can spice the dance. How will you know it is your turn? Energy/Feeling the music will tell you when you should relinquish your solo to your partner. 8- Leave the ego at home...

Can this be done with someone you have never danced with? Not if the person dances with the head instead of their hearts/soul. On the other hand the guy as the leader should set the mood... I always say if you are thinking "what next" then you can't feel. Dance from what comes inside of you, if it only happens to be 4 moves and 2 solos in a 5 minute song. Then make them worth while as when she leaves she is acking for a second dance. =) It is all about climax, which can't happen without the events leading to it... It isn't reaching the top but the gratification achieved during the journey there.

Hope that helped...
 
#17
Hysterical replies! LOL!

Here are mine:

:arrow: Guys who use women like a spinning prop to their dancing :shock: .

:arrow: Same old popular salsa songs that are played over & over at all the clubs all the time. :( It's such an abuse that most dancers already have a well-versed routine for these songs.

:arrow: Guys who don't dance, but stand next to the girl & (as another commentator stated) look like they're churning butter. :lol: It looks like the opposite of the River Dance where only the arms move & the rest of the body remains still.

:arrow: Sticky floors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x All we want to do is dance - cant the floors at least be maintained?!?! Forget about replenishing the liquor - clean the floors!

:arrow: Guys who dance solely with a select few all the time & deny us new kids on the block a chance to learn from them. There are a few "good" dancers that do sahre the love & though I'm usually intimidated by them and decline :oops: , I like that they make the effort to dance with a new face :) .
 
#19
peeves

Getting pulled around by an overly-demanding lead. Hello, I can do this without you giving me 123.5 pounds of pressure on my hands! Argh!

Cliques. Advanced dancers, please help the newbies. And the intermediates -- we don't have cooties!

If a follow doesn't get it the first time, smile, move on, and give her a few moves she knows before trying it again -- give her a chance to learn and adapt.

Inane conversation. If I get asked "Are you married?" as a conversation opening ONE more time I'm gonna ...

Guys who won't take no for an answer. I am saying no for a reason, and usually I'll give you one (I'm tired/feet need a break, I have this one saved for so and so, etc) -- even if I don't, it does not mean that you keep asking. That will not make me more inclined to dance with you -- au contraire!

Slippery shoes -- see my issue on the General Dance board about soles. *woe woe woe*

Melissa
 
#20
:arrow: Guys who use women like a spinning prop to their dancing :shock: .

hehehe. I love to spin but when I start teetering, the guy should get a clue. :)

Melissa
 

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