Season 4 premiere

I don't hold high hopes for Standard/Smooth dancing this time out...
That's why I'm so disappointed that Jonathan got paired with a celeb that is rather unpopular with a lot of the public. Of this current cast of pros, he seems to be the strongest at performing and teaching the Standard/Smooth dances, even thought it hasn't been his specialty in a long time. If he is booted early, there's really no one left. I suspect Maksim and Tony will be okay judging from previous seasons but that's pretty much it.
 

ChaChaMama

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That's why I'm so disappointed that Jonathan got paired with a celeb that is rather unpopular with a lot of the public. Of this current cast of pros, he seems to be the strongest at performing and teaching the Standard/Smooth dances, even thought it hasn't been his specialty in a long time. If he is booted early, there's really no one left. I suspect Maksim and Tony will be okay judging from previous seasons but that's pretty much it.
I'm going to say that I think Maksim, Tony, and indeed all the pros will be more than "okay" at the standard/smooth! We're talking about them doing routines with newbies, not competing at Blackpool. Many pros have competed championship level in the style for which they are not famous back when they were amateurs, or do pro-am teaching in at least two and sometimes all four competitive disciplines. They know MORE THAN ENOUGH to teach basic technique and come up with a solid bronze/silver (w/some open stuff thrown in for TV) routine.

In the past, I took some latin lessons from a highly ranked standard competitor, and I thought they were worth every penny.

Similarly, I am off to teach Tolstoy's _Anna Karenina_ in a few minutes, though I am a British literature specialist when it comes to my own research. I still think I can handle discussing the symbolism in this novel to a freshman class. Would I teach a graduate level course in Tolstoy? Heck no! But this is a freshman "Great Works" class, and no one is a specialist in all the countries and cultures covered. I'll manage!

ChaChaMama
 

mamboqueen

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Similarly, I am off to teach Tolstoy's _Anna Karenina_ in a few minutes, though I am a British literature specialist when it comes to my own research. I still think I can handle discussing the symbolism in this novel to a freshman class. Would I teach a graduate level course in Tolstoy? Heck no! But this is a freshman "Great Works" class, and no one is a specialist in all the countries and cultures covered. I'll manage!

ChaChaMama
Wow - impressive! I would love to sit in on this as this is one of my favorite books of all time. I think of it frequently when I'm waiting for my train :shock:
 
I'm going to say that I think Maksim, Tony, and indeed all the pros will be more than "okay" at the standard/smooth! We're talking about them doing routines with newbies, not competing at Blackpool. Many pros have competed championship level in the style for which they are not famous back when they were amateurs, or do pro-am teaching in at least two and sometimes all four competitive disciplines. They know MORE THAN ENOUGH to teach basic technique and come up with a solid bronze/silver (w/some open stuff thrown in for TV) routine.
I agree with you 100%. To me, DWTS is nothing more than a glorified pro/am showcase with "stars" as the am. Just because they are more or less well know people doesn't mean they are any better than any other person new to ballroom dance. That's one of the main things I really like about the show. Seeing these "stars" progress and improve over the course of the show is very inspirational for me. I also like hearing about their frustrations and how many of them are the same frustrations I experience.
 

ChaChaMama

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I know that wasn't a serious question, but there actually is dancing in Anna K! Chapters XXII and XXIII are a very important ball scene, and the attendees dance the waltz, the quadrille, and the mazurka. While there probably isn't quite enough description to satisfy a dance fan, Tolstoy even mentions some figures of the quadrille: "...who sent everybody now into the grand rond, now into the chaine...."

That's more description than the adulterous sex for which the book is famous gets: "That which for almost a year had constituted the one exclusive desire of Vronsky's life, replacing all former desires; that which for Anna had been an impossible, horrible, but all the more enchanting dream of happiness--this desire had been satisfied." That's all you get! They immediately start thinking about how criminal and guilty they are and how Vronsky is a murderer of their first stage of love.

This ends our 60 second Tolstoy lesson! ;)

ChaChaMama
 
Yes, all those issues and frustrations are universal in dancing for newbies. Last week, my son was rehearsing a move where he has to pull his larger frame partner through his legs into a sitting position in front of him. Well, my son started to pull, couldn't plant his feet, and sat on his partner's head! I was funny to see my son's behind in the air crouched on top of her head. No one was hurt, just red faces. Then I thought about Mario Lopez dropping Karina on her head in one of the episodes of DWTS 3.

Then talking about costume malfunctions, our kids have had a problem with their clothing during the last 3 competitions! Her stepping on her own dress, my son playing with his bowtie and breaking the snap off of the bowtie just before he is called on deck to dance, and her wearing white undies under a short and light black dress (yes, she flashed the judges a lot during that competition and I don't know how the judges kept a straight face).

I agree with you 100%. To me, DWTS is nothing more than a glorified pro/am showcase with "stars" as the am. Just because they are more or less well know people doesn't mean they are any better than any other person new to ballroom dance. That's one of the main things I really like about the show. Seeing these "stars" progress and improve over the course of the show is very inspirational for me. I also like hearing about their frustrations and how many of them are the same frustrations I experience.
 
Yes, all those issues and frustrations are universal in dancing for newbies. Last week, my son was rehearsing a move where he has to pull his larger frame partner through his legs into a sitting position in front of him. Well, my son started to pull, couldn't plant his feet, and sat on his partner's head! I was funny to see my son's behind in the air crouched on top of her head. No one was hurt, just red faces. Then I thought about Mario Lopez dropping Karina on her head in one of the episodes of DWTS 3.
Wow, that MUST have been a site. :-o I'm glad no one was hurt. Thanks for sharing this.
 
I don't know. I still would have liked equal time for smooth/standard pros. I saw some pretty painful smooth dances the last few seasons. Granted, I think all the Latin Pros are still better at Standard than I am by a long shot, but it doesn't change the fact that there have been instances of not-so-good work. More importantly, I do think a standard/smooth pro more quickly and easily communicates the important points of those dances to their ams and hence their ams look better more often than not right out of the gate - in those dances.

I'd love to see a whole slew of top ten-dance pros. Just to even it out a little. If you're gonna dream, ya should dream big. Eh?
 

DancePoet

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I know that wasn't a serious question, but there actually is dancing in Anna K! Chapters XXII and XXIII are a very important ball scene, and the attendees dance the waltz, the quadrille, and the mazurka. While there probably isn't quite enough description to satisfy a dance fan, Tolstoy even mentions some figures of the quadrille: "...who sent everybody now into the grand rond, now into the chaine...."

That's more description than the adulterous sex for which the book is famous gets: "That which for almost a year had constituted the one exclusive desire of Vronsky's life, replacing all former desires; that which for Anna had been an impossible, horrible, but all the more enchanting dream of happiness--this desire had been satisfied." That's all you get! They immediately start thinking about how criminal and guilty they are and how Vronsky is a murderer of their first stage of love.

This ends our 60 second Tolstoy lesson! ;)
Ah! But it was a good one! :cheers:
 
Not to be controversial or any thing, but I don't think there are a slew of 10 dance pros. Let's see how many we can name. I'll start, Iveta Lukosiute and
Gherman Mustic. OK let's name the rest of the slew
you are right, of course, plus Eddie Stutts and Victoria Belova. And I agree at having cringed a few times watching some of the Latin pros do standard, especially waltz. Jonathan and Tony are the most comfortable to watch doing both styles, for sure. Anybody remember when Tony competed in Pro Smooth with Patricia Dates? It was a very long time ago.
I wonder why ABC prefers to repeat pretty much the same pros. Originally I had assumed they would be constantly changing. I would bet there are quite a few professionals out there with talent, good looks and personality who would love to be on the show, no?
 

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