Because the tango in that clip was utterly dreadful. Maybe they were rank beginners doing an exhibition throwing in some show moves to make it exciting but it was not an example of tango that would make me want to learn. I didn't think much of the sytycd one either. It wasn't tango it was "show dance" it looked like something Arlene Phillips would come up with on top of the pops if gotan couldn't provide a video. Which is fine if you say: this is a show dance inspired by argentine tango. I don't want my mates to think i go out of a friday night dressed in F Me boots and a bra doing acrobatics and poses. They already think that tango is lame.
I didn't think much of the sytycd one either. It wasn't tango it was "show dance" it looked like something Arlene Phillips would come up with on top of the pops if gotan couldn't provide a video.
Which is fine if you say: this is a show dance inspired by argentine tango. I don't want my mates to think i go out of a friday night dressed in F Me boots and a bra doing acrobatics and poses. They already think that tango is lame.
Really? Isn't that "wow factor" the entire raison d'etre for the Show Tango style?
And I'm sorry, but as I said right at the start of this thread, that's not "Tango with some minor deviations from pure style" (whatever that is) - that dance just is not Tango, it's free dance with a few AT moves thrown in occasionally.
[SIZE=-1]Assuming the couple is Jonatha Casarin & Raika Crepaldi (seems a safe bet), then they come from Italy, and it looks like they are indeed primarily salsa people (from looking at http://www.jonathaeraika.com/ )[/SIZE]
It also looks like they also do AT, of course, but their primary focus does seem to be salsa teaching and shows.
I was the person who started this particular thread, so I wanted to explain myself.
This dance is, very simply, not, Argentine tango. I do not know what Alex's intent was, but the end product was a 'sexy' theatre arts piece, with some tango tricks thrown in, and it was called Argentine Tango. It smacks of virtually every stereotype that Argentines either laugh at or find offensive. (Yes, this routine came complete with fan and rose... and underwear... and storm trooper boots...) The end result was a train wreck that gave Danny ample opportunity to show-out and gave Sara the boot. I am sorry if you disagree with my opinion of this piece, as you seem to know Alex on a personal level, but I am a dancer who does not know Alex, and as a member of a viewing audience it is my role to view something and to form an opinion. Based on what I saw that night, I believe Alex failed to provide a stimulating Argentine Tango piece (something that is very possible to do) and also that he failed to provide his dancers something that would keep them both on the show. This causes me to question why he is on the show representing AT.
I think that the intent of this post is ADS should not be choroe'ing AT.
This, I may agree upon, ...on the condition that you all understand how difficult it is to choreo a quality AT routine that would impress the viewers without deviating from pure AT standards.
To agree with your statement would be to say that if Alex cannot do this, then such a task is virtually impossible for others. I disagree completely. Many qualified people around the world are capable of choreographing stage tango, or fantasia. This would be perfectly appropriate for television.
Me thinks that it will go over about as well as the Vienese Watz routines....(yawn) of SYTYCD's past. I sincerely believe Alex can choreo a world class comp. level AT routine if he chose to...why he did not (in the routine in question) is pure speculation.
I do hope I am wrong, but I just do not think it has "selling" power without the "stars" performing it.
5th try to post....I hope I did not get kicked off.
and for the 5th time....Angel Hi, I am not sure what you wanted me to respond to.
In my last "attempt" to post, I linked a utube clip of show tango...(1st clip to pop up).
The clip demonstrated how much the 2 routines (Alex's) had in common, including the boots. I viewed many others clips and did not think they where many that were much better.
I am thinking that as experts...you all have a strong subjective opinion about the routine. I, as a novice,..liked the routine...(score 7 of 10) and I think I am in the norm for the viewing audience. This routine was not the only routine that gave way to Danny's "toure de force" turns. (just about all the routines he's done, has).
SYTYCD is not a real dance competition and not worth getting bent out about regarding a choreographer. Therefore, I will leave you all with your opinions.
(I just hate to see Alex talked about in such a way...I'll get over it).
I hope you all welcome me to the AT forum, and not take my SYTYCD ramblings too seriously. I have a lot of questions related to my daughter's dance and hope that some here will be kind enough to offer their advice.
We are from So. Cal....so references regarding intructors/schools (AT) are very much welcomed.
P.M.s also welcomed.
The question/objection was never whether the routine was likable or not...a matter of opinion, as you said. The point of the OP was/is that it should not have been called AT. The general public doesn't really know what AT is, and might have left the show thinking it is that travesty. Simply Come Dancing, the British parent show of DWTS consistently shows great AT. The OP's point...why can't we on either DWTS or SYTYCD?
We had a "Eurovision dance contest" over here on Saturday. And yes, it was pretty horrible, but I looked up the dance definitions out of curiosity, and I saw this definition of AT.
Argentine Tango consists of a variety of styles that developed in different regions of Argentina and Uruguay. The dance developed in response to many cultural elements, such as the crowding of the venue and even fashions in clothing.
Even though all those styles developed in South America, they were also exposed to influences re-imported from Europe and Northern America. Consequently there is a good deal of overlap between the styles as they are now danced. Argentine Tango is danced in an embrace that can vary from very open, in which leader and follower connect at arms length, to very closed, in which the connection is chest-to-chest, or anywhere in between. Close embrace is often associated with the more traditional styles, while open embrace leaves room for many of the decorations and figures that are associated with a newer style, the Tango Nuevo.
Thankyou so much for your links. One company that stood out was Otero Dance Company. Have you seen them perform,..are they any good? We know one of the dancers and he is the nicest people (and very talented). They are also close to us.
My daughter I believe, has also taken a few classes from the Oteros, when they guest taught at another studio and they may remember her.
If this is a dup...I am sorry. It looks like my replies are not getting posted because I am either new, or I embedded a link.
I just want to say,...Alex was a AT dancer before he was a salsa dancer. He is also a world class instructor. I try to get the best for my daughter and Alex is no doubt one of the best. He is currently choreo'ing an AT routine for her and her group and it is pure AT. Not what you see on SYTYCD. I am sure Alex had his reasons for his pseudo AT routine. Remember the Paso Doble Heidi and Benji did last year and was such a hit? Certainly far from B.R. Paso Doble, but the audience loved it.
Something to think about.
P.S....I loved the clip of Ruby and Alex. Thanks for posting it. I just want to add, he took from his AT for his salsa and not the other way around.
I understand if you are interested in an AT routine for your daughter and can't find another instructor nearby. But if you could, please save yourself from the "acrobatic tango" of Silva.
I'm an AT dancer, I worked with Liz Lira (who claims to be a world renown AT dancer too. what is up with these salsa people claiming their knowledge of AT???!) As you all know, Liz was Silva's former partner for the Mayan championship. She throws in all these salsa, acrobatic, ballet moves into her tango that changes the dance entirely. These people are great dancers, but seriously.. they need to draw the line somewhere.. Have some respect for AT. I partnered with her for an AT show at a small venue. She had it taped. When I watched it 3 days later, I vowed to never EVER tango with her again.. I'm sure other AT people around Silva would feel the same. "The human Pretzel" is NOT something AT dancers would do.. Silva needs to stick to latin ballroom.
Here's a piece of AT tango that Silva choreographed for Sara and Danny on SYTYCD. Too bad the judges don't know AT enough to critique appropriately. If any of you know anything about AT, you'll know that even in show tango they wouldn't do that. I'm involved in the LA AT community and the most qualified instructors are Sergei Tumas, Hugo/Miriam, and David Chiu (Vladimir Estrin is not bad either, he learned a deal from Sergei Tumas).
If anyone here knows who I can contact on the show to get Silva to STOP choreography AT routines, please email me directly.