So You Think You Can Dance Season 9

Beto

Active Member
#61
Anyone else looking forward to the final 4 performing tonight? I'm a little conflicted on who I want to win for both titles. Eliana's been my favorite since auditions yet at the same time I might, eventually, be okay with Tiffany pulling a surprise win. For the boys I'm okay with either Chehon or Cyrus winning since they've both done really well this season.
On second thought, Chehon is who *should* win but I get the feeling that the judges' have steered America to pick Cyrus. We'll know next week when they announce the winners.
 

Steve Pastor

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Staff member
#62
I'm glad somebody is keeping track of when the show airs!
I'll be there.

Meanwhile, I've got another coat of paint to put on some of my fence before the weather goes bad (probably not til October, but you never know).

Can't say I'm rooting for anyone in particular - just enjoing the ride.
 

nikkitta

Well-Known Member
#64
Agreed.

The ballroom/latin performances this season have been underwhelming though :neutral:. The judges were gushing over that Rumba, but I never would have guessed it was a Rumba if it wasn't announced. Then again, since it was after some really spectacular performances, it would have had to be unrealistically fantastic to get a similar reaction. I can't see a Rumba doing that, particularly from dancers outside of their genre.

I do believe Nigel's "I'm not voting for you, Cyrus" speech was a ploy to get people to vote for him, not that he seems to need it given that he's never been in the bottom 2 or 3. Nothing against Cyrus, but Chehon is just breathtaking. This is a Favorites contest, not a Best contest, so anything is possible.
 
#65
I'm rooting for an all-ballet win: Eliana and Chehon have been so good, and they were outstanding in all the dances last night.

Apparently the results are not going to be announced with a Wednesday show, so we wait until next week.
 
#67
I'm rooting for an all-ballet win: Eliana and Chehon have been so good, and they were outstanding in all the dances last night.

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Yeah, they'd be my dream team. For me they're both more mature dancers. But that's not typically what members of the show demographic go for.
 

Beto

Active Member
#68
Agreed.

The ballroom/latin performances this season have been underwhelming though :neutral:. The judges were gushing over that Rumba, but I never would have guessed it was a Rumba if it wasn't announced. Then again, since it was after some really spectacular performances, it would have had to be unrealistically fantastic to get a similar reaction. I can't see a Rumba doing that, particularly from dancers outside of their genre.
I'm not a ballroom dancer but I've seen enough rumba done by my friends over the past 12+ years to know what I saw last night was *not* a rumba.

I do believe Nigel's "I'm not voting for you, Cyrus" speech was a ploy to get people to vote for him, not that he seems to need it given that he's never been in the bottom 2 or 3. Nothing against Cyrus, but Chehon is just breathtaking. This is a Favorites contest, not a Best contest, so anything is possible.
That seriously ticked me off. I can't believe Nigel did that. Any hope I had for Chehon winning is probably up in smoke since Nigel said that. He and the other judges have basically steered Cyrus to the finale.

I'm rooting for an all-ballet win: Eliana and Chehon have been so good, and they were outstanding in all the dances last night.
YES. A thousand times, yes. That would be wonderful! Eliana I'm almost sure of but Chehon's the one I'm worried about. Voted for both of the ballet dancers last night.

Apparently the results are not going to be announced with a Wednesday show, so we wait until next week.
Typical SYTYCD finale format only spread a week apart. I don't mind this. Gives folks time to do other things with their lives versus spending 2 nights with their TV/DVR.

Yeah, there's always a backlash when Nigel pans a crows fave.
Did he do this last season when Melanie won? Or the year before? It's manipulative and probably has the desired effect from the viewers at home who may not have the dance backgrounds that us Dance Forums folk have.

Yeah, they'd be my dream team. For me they're both more mature dancers. But that's not typically what members of the show demographic go for.
A Tiffany/Cyrus finale would upset me. An Eliana/Chehon finale would have me overjoyed. This isn't like Season 2 where Benji's win over Travis was upsetting to some folks. In that case both were highly trained, from childhood, but in very different genres. Here we have someone who has trained his entire life to get where he is and I think his performances have connected with the audience.
 
#69
I can't believe Nigel did that.
You, me, and Cyrus. His face fell when Nigel said "I can't vote for you." So I don't think Cyrus saw it as "directing votes" away from a judge's favorite. But I understand why you believe that's what going on. Why else would Nigel make that comment except to add an additional underdog element to voting for Cyrus.
 
#74
Great show, with lots of dance. Most was the couples redoing judges favorites of this season, but still it was great. Included a very small number of the memoriable dances from the auditions.

The one night a week format worked, for the most part, so maybe FOX will continue this show for a while longer?
 

Steve Pastor

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Staff member
#76
This from the Wikipedia article on the show.

Season 9's a slight uptake in ratings early on, with each of the season's first five episodes garnering between six and seven million viewers, but the rise was short-lived as SYTYCD hit an all time low of 5.1 millions viewers on July 18, 2012.
 

Steve Pastor

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Staff member
#77
I'm not a purist by any means, but I would like hip hop to actually look like hip hop ("lyrical hip hop"? really?),.... Even the Bollywood numbers seem to be drifting away from the original form.
I think I wrote pretty much this same thing last year. I don't know who the couple who choreograph "Argentine Tango" are, but, there's not a whole lot of Argentine Tango there. And they had to do it on the last show, too. Ugh.

Still really hoping the show is on next year.
 

Beto

Active Member
#78
Admittedly this is a moot point now, but what was the rationale for keeping Cyrus all the way to the finale? Was it ratings (root for the underdog), or do the producers really think they found a diamond in the rough who can be trained to go on to great things?
You'll have to ask the voting public that question. He was never in the bottom 2 or bottom 3 dancers so that means enough people voted to keep him on the show.

I didn't want to be a sourpuss, but it really rubbed me the wrong way watching the trained dancers get critiqued for minor technical flaws (in spite of how useful that type of feedback is for the dancer - but it makes the audience think they aren't really that "good"), while Cyrus got a pass every week for his supposed personality and charisma, even though his technique was passable at best and clearly galaxies below that of his fellow contestants.
There's always someone in the top 4 who, depending on your dance experience and background, does not belong there if you look all the way back to season 1 when it was Nick, Melanie, Jamile and Ashle. This is just part of the show's format and a lot of it has to do with how Americans, that aren't dancers, see this competition and how it's formatted. To people like us, who have presumably trained in one or more styles and know how hard it is to get to a certain level, it's somewhat maddening. But, just like we say with Dancing with the Stars, "hey, it's dance and it's on a primetime network!" We're thankful that we get to see dance highlighted on a major network. Is the presentation perfect? Not quite. Are the judges clearly influencing viewers at home? Sometimes. Nigel is the most guilty of this. Are we happy to see dancing on TV? Yes, we *are.*
 
#79
I was thinking more about the producers/judges' intentions, vs. the voting public, which is clearly influenced by the judges to some degree. Nigel (or other judges - or choreographers) could have very easily tanked him instead of keeping his fire going.

I do love seeing dance on TV... however it's not a novelty anymore and there is a plethora of dance shows (as soon as one ends, the next one is starting). So I hate to see the bar lowered as much as it was this season for Cyrus. I realize they emphasized it was "America's favorite dancer", not necessarily the *best* dancer - which also helped his cause immensely.

It's hard to be an overachiever only to discover that it's not really a meritocracy.
The producers and judges get to see the voting numbers. If Cyrus was getting the most votes, then there was no incentive for them to tank him. Doing that would risk antagonizing his loyal viewers.

And yes, his technique for several types of dance was much worse than the others. But their technique for hip-hop and popping was light years behind Cyrus'. The choreographers systematically hide the other's weaknesses by turning every style into something that resembles contemporary, while at the same time this tendency tends to work against the people who are not trained in contemporary. In ballroom, the "top" dancers were all bad. Chehon was terrible in his latin dances, but he got a big pass from the judges (and apparently from the audience).

The one thing that seems clear from this season: the audience really does not like ballroom dancers. The guys got booted early, while the girls kept getting saved, despite being in the bottom basically every week. And the only thing worse than ballroom for a dancer to draw for the week, is Bollywood.

For me, the most telling thing about the finale, was that it made clear that the only really memorable moment this season was the audition of the guy who pulled his heart out of his chest and killed it. I loved that audition. Everything else in the season was ... so, so and a bit repetitive.
 

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