What’s WRONG with salsa?

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I'm going to stop with the other languages because I don't want to bug anyone, but I have to say I think it is rather draconian to ban any non-English languages in what is purportedly an open forum ... and actually I find it rather unfriendly and unsupportive to label non-English languages as "gibberish." :D
Noobster, as someone who has been posting since August 2006, with 401 posts todate and probably read 5 times as many... if you wish to interpret my post and think that I was being draconian and unfriendly, AND that I labelled non-English languages as gibberish, as you obviously did, be my guest.

What is the saying? Divided by a common language? :cool:

For what it is worth, whilst english is the dominent language here on Dance Forums (it does not interest me what other Forums experience in this particular aspect) yes, other languagues have been discussed, mentioned and even phrases/sentences used. However, entire posts were not made in that language.

If you should decide to do some 'research' of the past posts here on DF, you may actually discover that I have quite an international outlook and have an interest in other countries and cultures, including... <drum roll please> non english speaking ones. But, you knew that already. ;)

C'est la vie. :D
 
Eu una as propune sa traducem si in engleza ceea ce dorim sa comunicam in alta limba.

How did the above statement improve the discussion?

I would appreciate it if someone were nice enough to translate it - I wonder how many people speak Romanian on this forum? :)

If no one does, I'll translate it later (remind me please, just in case I forget).

The reason why English is used here is simple: it is the ONLY common language all users speak (to a higher or lower extent). I happen to understand Spanish and French and Italian, but I am using English. Out of courtesy for the people who do not speak the afore mentioned languages.

Discussions are interesting when all can participate.

back to the topic: I think I've said it before, the behaviour RumbaRumbera mentions is not specific to LA. It can be found everywhere around the globe, where men and women meet.

You see it in business. You see it in showbiz. You see it in the street, at every corner. And it is not nice and fair. So what?

A 50-year old woman whose husband leaves her after 15 years of marriage and 2 children to "run off" with the 20-year old maid - does she find it fair?

Is it fair that one is born to look like Carmen Electra and the other like a scarecrow? Of course not! But is it fair that one is born with the brains of Einstein and the other is the village idiot?

Life is not about being fair! And if one doesn't like it, one can do something about it! Change clothing or change the place...

Have I been rude? I hope not! I am just trying to make a point.
tu sei una donna molto intelligente io penso che your my favorite squirrel now, you english is better than mine, when i was in rome 2 weeks ago 2 romanians worked in the hostel i stayed at i found them delightfull once i got to know them(very reserved at first)
 

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I'm going to stop with the other languages because I don't want to bug anyone, but I have to say I think it is rather draconian to ban any non-English languages in what is purportedly an open forum (and, might I add, one dedicated to a quintessentially Hispanic form of music and dance in which *all* of the lyrics are in Spanish!).

Again, I've seen other languages used on this and many other public fora and I really cannot see how using another language in a public posting should in any way be considered rude. English has become a default lingua franca for reasons of convenience, but it's a pretty big step from there to declaring the use of other widely spoken (or not) languages 'rude.'

English speakers do not have the market cornered on friendly-and-supportive, and actually I find it rather unfriendly and unsupportive to label non-English languages as "gibberish." Really.


Well. Myself, I prefer... "Speek!" :D
One of the bigger issues you're overlooking, however, is the need to use a language that the moderators are sufficiently familiar with to effectively do their "jobs." As it is, too many members try to use various euphemisms and acronyms to skirt DF policies, so the use of additional languages essentially means that (A) the guidelines get thrown out, or (B) moderating is conducted only via hearsay from other members. As a result, while we welcome and indeed encourage the sharing of different languages and cultures, posting in English is the expected norm even if it is not a steadfast rule.
 
Eu una as propune sa traducem si in engleza ceea ce dorim sa comunicam in alta limba.

How did the above statement improve the discussion?

I would appreciate it if someone were nice enough to translate it - I wonder how many people speak Romanian on this forum? :smile:

If no one does, I'll translate it later (remind me please, just in case I forget).

The reason why English is used here is simple: it is the ONLY common language all users speak (to a higher or lower extent). I happen to understand Spanish and French and Italian, but I am using English. Out of courtesy for the people who do not speak the afore mentioned languages.

Discussions are interesting when all can participate.

back to the topic: I think I've said it before, the behaviour RumbaRumbera mentions is not specific to LA. It can be found everywhere around the globe, where men and women meet.

You see it in business. You see it in showbiz. You see it in the street, at every corner. And it is not nice and fair. So what?

A 50-year old woman whose husband leaves her after 15 years of marriage and 2 children to "run off" with the 20-year old maid - does she find it fair?

Is it fair that one is born to look like Carmen Electra and the other like a scarecrow? Of course not! But is it fair that one is born with the brains of Einstein and the other is the village idiot?

Life is not about being fair! And if one doesn't like it, one can do something about it! Change clothing or change the place...

Have I been rude? I hope not! I am just trying to make a point.
Amen. Too few people take rsponsibility for the quality of their life today. It's way more convenient to make excuses or blame others for own unsuccesses. I'm tired of these victims.

I kinda chuckle when I see some people - specifically latinos - start speaking posting in spanish as if their words are worth more because they happen to speak the language so prevalent in salsa music, thinking along the lines of:

"What you don't agree with my [often ridiculous] points of view, oh here's a post written in spanish and sprinkled with attitude. Clearly this shows everyone that I'm right. Cause I have tha blood"

I mean this is the kind of thinking that pushes the world forward. Without these rogue innovators, these leaders and problem solvers, the forums would often have threads with no conclusion.

I must say I'm terribly in love. And you say, Rumbera, that some asian girl gets more attention than you? Well perhaps you're not looking at the right cues. Maybe the reason they're getting more attention is not because they are asian, but because they have a better, and less bitten attitude.
 
Freedom of Speech

As many on this forum, I was brought up in the USA and from an early age, I was taught about the Bill of Rights, including the right of free speech, which includes defending another’s right of expression, no matter how reprehensive or controversial. So, although I may post controversial opinions and disagree with many on this forum, I would never support the action of censoring anyone for their opinions or the manner in which they are expressed.
 
I'm going to stop with the other languages because I don't want to bug anyone, but I have to say I think it is rather draconian to ban any non-English languages in what is purportedly an open forum (and, might I add, one dedicated to a quintessentially Hispanic form of music and dance in which *all* of the lyrics are in Spanish!).
Yes, how ironic.....Hispanic music, dance; and Spanish lyrics. You get it. Thanks.
 
Parece que su intento es dar consejos. Pero es un engaño. Lo que te eluda es que ella quiería ofenderme por medio de recomendarme que yo vaya a los lugares en su lista—una lista de lugares donde hay puros viejito/as que tienen un estilo de bailar muy lento y antigua.
I gathered from your previous posts that you didn't like snooty salseros and flashy dancing. The places I suggested are full of intermediate+, NON flashy dancers who will gladly ask any lady to dance. Is that not what you were looking for???
:doh:
 
I kinda chuckle when I see some people - specifically latinos - start speaking posting in spanish as if their words are worth more because they happen to speak the language so prevalent in salsa music, thinking along the lines of:

"What you don't agree with my [often ridiculous] points of view, oh here's a post written in spanish and sprinkled with attitude. Clearly this shows everyone that I'm right. Cause I have tha blood"

And you say, Rumbera, that some asian girl gets more attention than you? Well perhaps you're not looking at the right cues. Maybe the reason they're getting more attention is not because they are asian, but because they have a better, and less bitten attitude.
This is highly inflammatory and contains "fighting" words. But I will defend this person's right to express his/her opinion, no matter how controversial and outrageous I find it.
 

SDsalsaguy

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As many on this forum, I was brought up in the USA and from an early age, I was taught about the Bill of Rights, including the right of free speech, which includes defending another’s right of expression, no matter how reprehensive or controversial. So, although I may post controversial opinions and disagree with many on this forum, I would never support the action of censoring anyone for their opinions or the manner in which they are expressed.
This is an entirely voluntary community RR, with clearly stipulated guidelines and friendly suggestions when the tone falls outside what we have chosen to have here. You are free to participate accordingly, or equally free not to participate. What neither you nor anyone else has the right to do, however, is to ignore the rules and claim that you have the right to say whatever you want however you want.

At this point this tangent is over. Either accept this is how things are or do not. If you want to communicate with me or anyone else on the staff about this you are more than welcome to, either via PM or the staff mailbox, but any additional public posts on this matter will be considered a breach of the restriction on public discussions of moderating. Do what you want accordingly.
 
Parece que su intento es dar consejos. Pero es un engaño. Lo que te eluda es que ella quiería ofenderme por medio de recomendarme que yo vaya a los lugares en su lista—una lista de lugares donde hay puros viejito/as que tienen un estilo de bailar muy lento y antigua.
What?? I take offense at that, having just gone to one of those places on the list. Believe me, there were plenty of young people there.
 
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