What your favorite orchestra says about you (according to tango snobs)

TomTango

Active Member
#1
This is partly for fun, partly based on various responses I've overheard or gotten myself.

  1. Canaro - Canaro was a sellout, and you're a sellout for liking him. I bet you love Starbucks and watching reruns of Friends.
  2. D'arienzo - If you need the beat screamed at you and hate layers, sure. You must be a beginner.
  3. Di Sarli - This is what orchestra people say when they don't know what to say. Boring and predictable.
  4. Troilo - A hipster's answer. You're trying to appear knowledgeable and as an advanced dancer. You pretend to "get" Troilo and talk about his "nuanced layers." Your ruse isn't fooling anyone.
  5. Pugliese - Of course you like Pugliese. Everyone likes Pugliese. I bet you also loooove gaunchos and volcadas, and the beat is a mystery to you.
  6. Biagi - You like to memorize strange beat patterns then make your partner feel bad when they "can't follow/lead them."
  7. Donato - Do you even understand what tango is about? It's about soul-crushing sadness, not all this silly happy, upbeat mess.
  8. Fresedo - Worse than Donato. I don't want to get diabetes while I dance.
  9. Tanturi/Calo/Demare - This answer is actually acceptable.
  10. Laurenz - What, did you listen to Alma de Bohemio once?
  11. De Angelis - I hope you're joking. How can you stand those violins? It's like sucking on a lemon.
  12. OTV/De Caro/Firpo/Lomuto - Aw, grandpa over here loves to tango, if by "tango" you mean shuffling around the floor for 12 minutes.
  13. D'Agostino - All of his music sounds the same. Your typical breakfast is unbuttered toast with plain oatmeal, and you like to tell stories no one cares about.
  14. Rodriguez - You know he's almost never played in Buenos Aires right?
  15. Piazzolla - Get out.
 

sixela

Well-Known Member
#9
#15 -- agree


If you can't play Piazzolla, you'll also have to ban _a lot_ of late Troilo.

Just to spite you, I'll play a mixed Troilo/Piazzolla tanda next time I DJ.
 

sixela

Well-Known Member
#14
My name's Alexis. I won't tell you the venue, because others DJ there too. You'd be a fool not to go to that venue, because the energy is very good (whoever the DJ is), but of course, nothing forces you to. Since you're from New York, chances are that mere distance will take care of it (I do hope you go to El Destino, though).

I'm sure you also want to add Troilo/Marino to the list of "uncouth" orchestra/singer combos, or does that count as "late Troilo"?

What exactly constitutes "late Pugliese" (which, BTW, is spelled with an "e", and mens "from Puglia" in Italian)? Is Pugliese/Moran still OK? Is Pugliese/Maciel (and if so, which ones)? Or is just Montero you don't like?

While you're at it, why not ban late D'Arienzo?

Small note: music from beyond 1957 is indeed not easy to play. But then, Piazzolla recorded music _well_ before that, and had quite some influence on Troilo. Of course, it's possible you don't like Troilo. Your choice. Others love it, _even_ if you don't stick to Troilo/Fiorentino.

If you can't countenance even one tanda that others might like and you don't, then I suggest you become a DJ.

Except that --as you would soon see-- you wouldn't get to dance a lot either (but at least you would be saved from stepping outside to look at the stars from the balcony a couple of times a night), and you'd take lots of flak whatever you play (some people even don't like _Biagi_).
 
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Mladenac

Well-Known Member
#15
Small note: music from beyond 1957 is indeed not easy to play. But then, Piazzolla recorded music _well_ before that, and had quite some influence on Troilo. Of course, it's possible you don't like Troilo. Your choice. Others love it, _even_ if you don't stick to Troilo/Fiorentino.
Piazzolla was playing, arranging and composing in Anibal Troilo orchestra.
So it would be correct that Anibal Troilo influenced Piazzolla ;)
 

sixela

Well-Known Member
#16
And vice-versa, since Piazzolla, as you said, worked as arranger for Troilo, which means that certainly Troilo/Marino is indeed Troilo/Piazzolla/Marino in more than one sense (you can even feel the influence in some tracks with Fiorentino).

Troilo at the end notoriously complained once to his wife that some of Piazzolla's arrangements made his orchestra sound like a "bloody symphonic orchestra", and the tensions between the two would eventually lead to a break (and Piazzolla would join Francisco Fiorentino's orchestra in 1944-1946, from which the "Viejo Ciego" shown above is, but also a great "Color de Rosa" and a "Chiflada" that still sounds very Troilesque, or rather Piazzolla-under-Troilo).
 
#17
My name's Alexis. I won't tell you the venue, because others DJ there too. You'd be a fool not to go to that venue, because the energy is very good (whoever the DJ is), but of course, nothing forces you to. Since you're from New York, chances are that mere distance will take care of it (I do hope you go to El Destino, though).

I'm sure you also want to add Troilo/Marino to the list of "uncouth" orchestra/singer combos, or does that count as "late Troilo"?

What exactly constitutes "late Pugliese" (which, BTW, is spelled with an "e", and mens "from Puglia" in Italian)? Is Pugliese/Moran still OK? Is Pugliese/Maciel (and if so, which ones)? Or is just Montero you don't like?

While you're at it, why not ban late D'Arienzo?

Small note: music from beyond 1957 is indeed not easy to play. But then, Piazzolla recorded music _well_ before that, and had quite some influence on Troilo. Of course, it's possible you don't like Troilo. Your choice. Others love it, _even_ if you don't stick to Troilo/Fiorentino.

If you can't countenance even one tanda that others might like and you don't, then I suggest you become a DJ.

Except that --as you would soon see-- you wouldn't get to dance a lot either (but at least you would be saved from stepping outside to look at the stars from the balcony a couple of times a night), and you'd take lots of flak whatever you play (some people even don't like _Biagi_).
Some comments, particularly those with a :) should not be taken literally... Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah and Happy Holidays to all!
 
#20
I just listened to this one, and felt overwhelmed by happiness.
ENGLISH at the bottom

En la tarde que en sombras se moría,
buenamente nos dimos el adiós;
mi tristeza profunda no veías
y al marcharte sonreíamos los dos.
Y la desolación, mirándote partir,
quebraba de emoción mi pobre voz…
El sueño más feliz, moría en el adiós
y el cielo para mí se obscureció.
En vano el alma
con voz velada
volcó en la noche la pena…
Sólo un silencio
profundo y grave
lloraba en mi corazón.

Sobre el tiempo transcurrido
vives siempre en mí,
y estos campos que nos vieron
juntos sonreír
me preguntan si el olvido
me curó de ti.
Y entre los vientos
se van mis quejas
muriendo en ecos,
buscándote…
mientras que lejos
otros brazos y otros besos
te aprisionan y me dicen
que ya nunca has de volver.

Cuando vuelva a lucir la primavera,
y los campos se pinten de color,
otra vez el dolor y los recuerdos
de nostalgias llenarán mi corazón.
Las aves poblarán de trinos el lugar
y el cielo volcará su claridad…
Pero mi corazón en sombras vivirá
y el ala del dolor te llamará.
En vano el alma
dirá a la luna
con voz velada la pena…
Y habrá un silencio
profundo y grave
llorando en mi corazón.

In the afternoon dying in shadows,
very nicely we said farewell;
You didn’t notice my deep sadness
and as you left we both smiled.
And desolation, from watching you go,
broke with emotion my poor voice …
The happiest dream, died in the goodbye
for me, the sky became dark.
In vain the soul
with veiled voice
poured in the night the sorrow …
Only a silence
deep and serious
cried in my heart.

As time has passed
you always live in me,
and these fields that saw us
together, smiling
wonder if oblivion
has cured me of you.
And among the winds
my complaints go
dying in echoes,
looking for you …
while far away
other arms and other kisses
imprison you and tell me
you will never return.

When spring return,
and the fields show their colors,
again the pain and memories
will fill with nostalgia my heart.
Trilling birds will populate the place
and sky will cast its clarity…
But my heart will live in shadows
and the wing of pain will call you.
In vain the soul
will tell the moon,
with veiled voice, the sorrow…
And there will be a silence,
deep and serious
crying in my heart.

https://letrasdetango.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/el-adios/
 

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