What's the difference between NY and LA Salsa?

#41
salsachinita said:
This is how I view different schools/styles of salsa. Same language, different accent/dialect (hey, a lot like Spanish :wink: !).

On that thought, I'm off to 'communicate' some more 8) .........!
That's actually a really cool way of looking at it, SC! (More so because I LOVE language. =^__^=)

Have fun, study hard! :wink:

Sakura Kitty :kitty:
 
#42
tj said:
I love the sentiment of what you're saying, Sabor. It truly captures the important essence of what makes dancing special.

But I gotta say that I agree with the other two, in that when you and your partner dance different styles, it's hard to find a good dance connection with each other. What that has become for me, is to have a little familiarity with each of the styles so that I can adjust my dancing to my partner in addition to the particular song.
i'm not disagreeing tj.. i'm just looking at it from a beginners perspective after knowing what i know now.. hence my 2nd post:

plus this is just a starting point for beginners to view the dance.. of course as u advance u relatively know more and understand more .. so i would suggest that phase to be dependent on each dancers perception and based on their own experience rather than giving them the whole 9 yards in words and explanation that they yet remain to experience ultimately getting them confused or more hyped .. when the issue is not that much of a big deal from a birds eye view.. that is of course only my opinion
my point is simply not to overcrowd them trying to explain it in detail from the beginning but to give them the benefit of their own experience and phase development.. after a certain point they hopefully will experience the different styles and adjust to it almost immediately and naturally.. but it has to take its time .. phase after phase.. thats all.. and to try to explain to them the mechanical differences through words when they are relatively still starting is .. well, putting myself in their shoes.. would indeed be a confusing ordeal. Hence.. the major difference- at this stage is timing - and this is what they start with first.. timing and music.. the musicality of the dance is in my view the highest priority .. to guide them to their natural rythme vs. salsa.. then comes the rest as second priority, etc..
 

MacMoto

Active Member
#43
MacMoto said:
salsachinita said:
borikensalsero said:
Besides that, same thing.
Amen, Boriken :notworth: !

I've been waiting for a written statement like this from an expert like yourself :wink: !
Same here -- thanks!
And just when I thought the matter was settled, my teacher does a small demonstration in the class -- comparing NY style vs. LA!

He taught a move, which he said was a NY mambo move (translated to on1), and proceeded to do exactly the same move in LA style, and they looked different! In terms of the move's sequence, they were exactly the same. However, when done as an LA style move, it looks bigger -- the follower is thrown further away, so the couple is at an arm's length in the slot. It makes the move look more dynamic, sharper (since you need to travel more in the same number of count) and, as a result, flashier. In the NY mambo version of the move, the leader stays very close to the follower, making the whole move look smoother and more compact.

I wonder if this is a general difference between the NY and LA styles?
 
#44
MacMoto said:
MacMoto said:
salsachinita said:
borikensalsero said:
Besides that, same thing.
Amen, Boriken :notworth: !

I've been waiting for a written statement like this from an expert like yourself :wink: !
Same here -- thanks!
And just when I thought the matter was settled, my teacher does a small demonstration in the class -- comparing NY style vs. LA!

He taught a move, which he said was a NY mambo move (translated to on1), and proceeded to do exactly the same move in LA style, and they looked different! In terms of the move's sequence, they were exactly the same. However, when done as an LA style move, it looks bigger -- the follower is thrown further away, so the couple is at an arm's length in the slot. It makes the move look more dynamic, sharper (since you need to travel more in the same number of count) and, as a result, flashier. In the NY mambo version of the move, the leader stays very close to the follower, making the whole move look smoother and more compact.

I wonder if this is a general difference between the NY and LA styles?
When the floor is packed the use of slot, and the philosphy of "dance on 2 tiles" is used a great deal. But if the floor is pretty spaced out we tend to open up the dance. There are a few dancers who just don't like to open up the dance, even if the floor is empty, but aside from that, very many people like to use the floor and open the dance. "Performance-like"

It is however true that NY Style uses a "tighter" feel of dancing, and doesn't really call to be all over the place opening up "too" much.

Which might just be what you saw...
 
#45
MacMoto said:
And just when I thought the matter was settled, my teacher does a small demonstration in the class -- comparing NY style vs. LA!

He taught a move, which he said was a NY mambo move (translated to on1), and proceeded to do exactly the same move in LA style, and they looked different! In terms of the move's sequence, they were exactly the same. However, when done as an LA style move, it looks bigger -- the follower is thrown further away, so the couple is at an arm's length in the slot. It makes the move look more dynamic, sharper (since you need to travel more in the same number of count) and, as a result, flashier. In the NY mambo version of the move, the leader stays very close to the follower, making the whole move look smoother and more compact.

I wonder if this is a general difference between the NY and LA styles?
That's the first noticeable differences between NY and LA.

NY is lighter (no jerking the follow around), smoother and more compact (small steps). Because of this you can pull off more complex turn patterns in NY. For example a double free spin followed by a 180 pickup (Travelling Inside Turn or Rotating CBL) followed by a double CBL inside turn followed by another 180 is far easier to pull off when dancing small than big. Small steps means you have more time to do more complex things or style.

NY is On2. LA is On1. On2 gives you that extra beat to style and play with the music because On2 you are spinning the girl on counts 2&3 where as On1 your are spinning her on 5&6&7. This is also why you see more of the whip whip pause effect in NY. This gives it that smoother look and why NY style looks slower.

I dance light, smooth and compact when On1 or On2. I cringe when I see leads dance big, tossing and jerking the follow around. Gentlemen, you have to treat the follows like ladies not like a rag doll.
 
#47
You are seeing more and more of this light, smooth and compact in LA now. New Yorkers are influencing the west coast! The best example of this is Al & Edie. Take a look at their first series of videos. Then take a look at their new Millenium style videos which were made after they spent some time studying in New York. The first set is very LAish. The Millenium style is more New Yorkish with Hip Hop and Poppin styling thrown in. In LA we also have former New York instructors such as Seaon and Bernard Martinez and we are seeing their influence in their students.
 

SDsalsaguy

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#51
KiwiMambo said:
NY is lighter (no jerking the follow around), smoother and more compact (small steps).
Umm, these are qualities of dancers, not of styles. LA style does not, for instance, require "jerking the follow around." While it is true that LA and LA style seem to give rise to more than their share of flash & trash dancers and dancing it is not the style, itself, that mandates this.
 

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