ballroomdancertoo
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Not sure of the spelling for the fleckrolls (?) in viennese waltz but in the foot work does the man keep turning with the ball or flat of the foot? Thanks in advance.
fleckerl in viennese waltz
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elisedance
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I was at a comp over the weekend and in the IDSF championship event one couple (from Russia) danced spectacularly and came in 22226 (their sheer movement was better than the 1st place couple but they did not have the musicality or subtlety). The 6 was in VW and there was one noticable difference: they did not do a fleckerl. At the championship level is this tantamount to a scratch?
contracheck
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The correct spelling is "Fleckerel." It's a German and it means "Spot Turn."
Using the Reverse Turn as an example the foot goes as follow:
1L (front of the Right Foot): Flat
2R (Side): Ball
3L (front of the Right Foot): Flat
4R (Side): Flat
5L (behind the Right Foot): Ball
6R (Side): Flat
ballroomdancertoo
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Thanks contracheck. I think that was what I was doing but someone told me that the movement was done all on the toes. Is this the sanctioned steps for the VW?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
contracheck
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In actual life, there are usually more than one ways of skinning a cat. Fleckerel and Fleckerl are both used without prejudice. If in doubt, please Google it. USABDA uses "Fleckeryll."
elisedance
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Either way it sounds like a species of trout....
contracheck
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Ahh, yummy. You mean Speckle Trout?
Al Gisnered
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Not necessarily. Two thoughts:
1. The lack of Fleckerl might be noticed by a judge if that judge deemed 2 couples equal in all other respects. However, the Viennese, like each of the 5 standard dances, has its own identity. It is not only about speed and distance. If the couple in question excelled in "sheer movement" in VW but lacked "musicality or subtlety", it may have been most noticeable in VW and they may well have danced their VW less well than the other 5 competitors.
2. Even for the top contests, I've seen judges finish marking their sheets within 40 - 50 seconds of the start. (as an amusement, I've timed them) Given that, ordinarily, no more than two couples will take the center for Fleckerls at any one time, not all couples will dance them within the 40-50 second period. Not all judges wait till the end of the dance to mark, and I doubt they wait to see if every couple does Fleckerls. I believe that what they do look at is whether the couples who dance them dance them well enough to warrant higher placement than those who have, as yet, not Fleckerl-ed but who are dancing with whatever qualities the judge sets as the criteria for higher placement.
elisedance
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Interesting perspective - I agree about the rapid marking of most dances but I get the impression that the judges often wait just for this dance to to see how well the couples keep it up. Doing VW for 10 seconds is very different from doing it for 1.5 minutes! I think I may ask a judge or two about this...
reb
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Yeah Elise, at NDCA Amateur Nationals at BYU a couple years ago, during the Open Amateur Standard event, Brian McDonald (I think it was Brian) announced that he expected to see fleckerls as an integral/mandatory at this level - no one was doing them.
After that we made sure to do them everytime . . .
star_gazer
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