Havana Nights (Dirty Dancing)

Yup. The review in my local paper was lousy, too. But what the heck, a dance movie is a dance movie. I'll be there. *shrug*
 
I'm gathering a crew to see Havana Nights on Sunday, so on Monday I'll let you know what a bunch of (mostly) dancers think about it.

I'm already disappointed that it's only 86 minutes long. That isn't even an hour and a half! I could make an hour and a half long movie about dirty dancing, and I suck at salsa.

Kevin
 
KevinL said:
I'm gathering a crew to see Havana Nights on Sunday, so on Monday I'll let you know what a bunch of (mostly) dancers think about it.

I'm already disappointed that it's only 86 minutes long. That isn't even an hour and a half! I could make an hour and a half long movie about dirty dancing, and I suck at salsa.

Kevin

YOU GO KEVIN!!! SHOW THEM WHAT YOU'VE GOT...
 
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pygmalion said:
Yup. The review in my local paper was lousy, too. But what the heck, a dance movie is a dance movie. I'll be there. *shrug*

RottenTomatoes has a fairly poor rating on it, though Yahoo Movies give it a C from reviewers, B- from users so far.

I do have the soundtrack, and I like it a lot. However it does worry me there's anachronistically more hip-hop than there should be in 1958.

It's too bad after reading some of the reviews. There could have been so much more done with the movie to make it more substantive and intellectually interesting.

I have a small group going tonight. We'll see after that.
 
I'm heading off tonight to see it with some Salsa friends, a few of which are professional Salsa dancers and teachers...so I hope its a good flick. I figure if its too bad I'll just have to get up and bust a few moves for the audience. :P

Or maybe not. :wink:

SG
 
Please let us know how this movie is, but from most of the mainstream dance movies I have seen in the past, most have cheesy acting and mediocre dance scenes unless some of the pro's make a cameo appearence.

chow
 
Brujo thinks:

The dancing was actually better than I thought, a little more authentic. They nicely integrated the idea that it was a latin ballroom dance competition, so there was a lot of hot cuban casino style dancing combined with the New Yorkian mambo moves. So when Diego Luna and the blonde girl danced, it was a nice mix of both miami moves and cuban moves, which I thought was really nice.

The music left more to be desired. It was nice to hear the new wave of music out there, the Orishas remake of 'Represent (Cuba)" was interesting, specially in english, and the little santana intro was nice, but it would have been nicer if there was a bit more authentic cuban music or even old school son incorporated.

I expected complete crap, but it was a little better than that. And their philosophy on dancing that was presented was great. I specially liked that the guy kept on insisting that she felt the music, and she kept trashing his frame, which was a nice touch in the whole tecnique vs. feeling debate.

I think the dancing was well choreographed. You won't get new awesome congress moves from it, but it fell well within the story considering that both dancers only had limited time to dance together. Go see it.
 
Hmm, well I saw the movie by myself (for reasons that I won't get into here), so I kind of wish I had gone with other dancers to hear their perspective.

I liked the movie...lots of neat surprises but it seemed a bit rushed to me...like perhaps they cut too much out and it could have been a bit longer. Anyone else feel this way?

It was kind of nice seeing Boriken in the movie though. :P
 
My review

If the standard of a great, entertaining ballroom movie is Strictly Ballroom, this is certainly not it. The dancing to me was choreographed pretty well, but don't think you can write down all the moves of their salsa routine. If you want an Oscar-winning screenplay, you've got to be kidding.

What I liked about the movie: at least to some point, the situations in this movie can relate to more people than the original (I'd name my child Baby... sure). There was more tension that could be relayed from the disparities from the ex-pat Americans and the Cubans around them (nationalism, freedom, duty, etc.). Or rather there could have been a bit more which I think could have made the movie a bit more authentic. As it was, the potential differences they tried to relay between ballroom training (Katie and her family) and Latin freestyle (Javier and his world) really didn't show up so much as a great contrast as I would have wanted. My favorite part of the movie was when Katie first dances with Javier in La Rosa Negra and she prepares in ballroom position; I can't count the times I have done that while club-dancing.

I mean seriously, I am pulled between formal ballroom and club dancing all the time, and as much as I liked the fact they tapped a bit into this odd conflict that I have (and maybe many of you too), it just didn't develop as much. (Don't say they didn't know... this story is based on the experiences of one of the co-producers and choreographers who does have ballroom training.) That said, the philosophy of dancing, and especially the differences between Katie wanting to do a routine and Javier wanting to freestyle could have been played up more. Really, you could heighten the tension by actually giving Katie more attitude that dancing is really one of the things she does WELL (win junior titles in ballroom or something) and try to deal with Javier's lack of frame, improvisation, and musicality. If you did that, you could add maybe another 3 minutes to the movie.

In the end, the movie isn't so much about dancing as it is about romance. Does it do it that well? I guess so for a teenage/20's crowd.

Also liked:
2) The acting was actually pretty decent. Not too melodramatic.

3) Of course, the dancing in general seemed pretty good, from whatever glimpses you got through edits.

What bothered me about the movie:
1) Actually my friends noticed this too: the Patrick Swayze cameo seemed out of place. I understood why it was there (at least to the extent that I did understand), but it was interesting to see him basically dancing his DD routine all over again with the same mambo from the original. Regardless, it seemed like "this is a nod to the original scene, and we're so glad to have him".

2) Why did Katie's mom give up dancing? That was not really clear. In fact, the character development of the parents as dancers and their history was not at all clear. Again, there is a lot of potential here that just did not appear... not in the same vein that Doug and Shirley Hastings (the parents) in Strictly Ballroom had in their history. Certainly there could have been more "support" from the parents in the week between the preliminaries and the finals.

3) The musical anachronisms. I love the soundtrack and will likely find a way to incorporate it into my music mixes (El Beso del Final as NC2S, Do You Only Want to Dance as obvious salsas/mambos). But that's a lot of hip-hop for 1958. I can't help but think WCS or "practice cha-cha" to "Represent, Cuba." Some more authentic Cuban son would be fine, even if it isn't as "hip" to the young audience they are targeting.

4) The finals scenes were too short. Having seen the trailer and then watched the movie, there are scenes of some of the dancing couples from the final in the trailer that I don't remember at all in the movie. Sure, we're talking maybe one additional minute of time, but I really would have liked to see that.

5) What number was Javier wearing on the back of his suit? I leave this up as an exercise to you when you watch the movie during the preliminary heat. I thought it was a different number during some of the scenes.

6) Was the Cuban revolution really as bloodless as it seemed? Ladies and gentlemen, Batista has left the country.

In the end, I guess the hallmark of a decent dance movie is for those who don't know how to be enthusiastic and learn. The touchstone (for me as a dancer) of a great dance movie is to it makes me realize and re-affirm my love for dancing. This movie I guess does a fine job with the first and makes a good effort for the latter standard, but it could have been much more. And realizing how much more they could have done to raise the quality of the movie in general disappoints me the most. As it is, it's a movie to just cash in on a young demographic without much of a message other than, "Hey, we got Patrick Swayze!" :)
 
I saw it last night as well.
The movie, yes predictable and the acting wasn't great but for a cheesy movie that we have to see because it has dancing in it it was not too bad. As well I liked the interplay between Katey's Ballroom style and Javier's Freestyle. I agree we could have gotten to learn more about her parents.
The Dancing, There were some really good dance scenes in the movie, but imho there were just as many if not more really bad dance scenes. A few of the shots at the club were good. Overall my biggest gripe is that I hate seeing salsa clubs portrayed as some sort of sex orgy and alot of the club scenes looked like that to me. Something more inline with a X-tina or Britney video than a salsa club.
The other worthwile dance scene is the first competition. However just when it seemed like there would be a great move the dancers would do something cheesy and the cool move would not be there.
Patrick Swayze, gosh he looks old.
I bought the soundtrack, it has a couple of good tracks, without a doubt the best being the one by Santana. Represent Cuba sounds good to me, good Cha-Cha. I am partial to Mya so I have to say her song is good, although there is an instrumental version that is better to dance to.
Overall see the movie, you will probably get some enjoyment out of it, the soundtrack, although not really salsa is actually pretty good and I think that there can be some good crossover into pop to come out of this.
 
Vin said:
Overall my biggest gripe is that I hate seeing salsa clubs portrayed as some sort of sex orgy and alot of the club scenes looked like that to me. Something more inline with a X-tina or Britney video than a salsa club.
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Um, have you seen latin people and cubans dance? They might have turned it up a little bit in the movie, but if you go to clubs like la Tropical in Cuba, you get what some guys have refered to as a vertical lapdance. It might not be sanitized and politically correct in your eyes, but the Cubans don't have this particular bias themselves.
 
additional notes

I don't think I was as shocked with the first scenes at La Rosa Negra. Granted, it's not my preference, but heck... it is Dirty Dancing, and it appeared as authentic as it could be.

Also, according to the VH1 special, the actors spent about 2 months of 8-hour practices to get all the choreography and "Latin motion" right. Damn, I wish I could have someone pay me for lessons for that long. :)
 

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