Interpreting Scores

Hello really helpful people of df!
I started dancing last June and seriously training last september (OMG I just noticed i'm having my first anniversary of dancing) and last January my partner and I competed in my first (her second) competition which was the Annual Philippine Star Ball (what a pic for a first competition... lol the biggest and an international competition at that in the country BUT I GOT TO SEE BEATA!!!)

anyways...

I only saw the scrutelle scores this afternoon even though we already know our results (my partner and I won first in the two syllabus events we entered) and I was wondering if anyone can interpret the rest of the data for me




by the way thats me Mark Lester Lacsamana.
I understand the first half of the table where it shows which judge and how they ranked us but I dont understand the +4 +6 and stuff and how its tallied. the judges according to scrutelle was
A Espen Salberg Norway
B Ralf Lepehne Germany
C Stephen Hannah UK
D Aleena Tan Singapore
E jerry Abrate Italy
F Caterina Arzenton Italy
G Richard Morissey Australia
H Akihiro Yokomichi Japan
I Maria Tarsinov USA
J Taliat Tarsinov USA
K Nil
L Didio Barrera USA
M Catia Vanone Italy
N Lawrence Chan Hong Kong
O Chona Mercado Philippines
P Gloria Alcala Philippines
Q Michael Wang Taiwan
R Jerswin Poloyapoy Philippines
S Jojo Carino Philippines
T Carmen Vincelj Germany

THe columns there are totals/counts of the scores on left.

Take Couples 299 as an example. They had two judges place them in first, which gives you 2 in first column. They had no one place them as second, so that zero is added to the 2 from first column (hence column called 2+, telling you it's been added) which gives you 2 again in second column. One judge gave them a third, so that 1 is added to the 2 from the previous column, to give a 3 in 3+ column. Two judges ranked them fourth, so that 2 is added to the 3 in previous column, and that gives them five, and so on.

The way this works then for final placing is that the couple with the most scores in each column takes that place. So 294, with four judges giving them a first, won first. Couple 299, with a 3 in the 3+ column, got third (322 has more in 3+ column, but the had already been placed second), and so on. Sur eosmeone else will explain it easier and clearer, but it's early, and I haven't had coffee yet.

The number of judges marking each couple in that scoring range (e.g. 3+ is 1st, 2nd or 3rd) is tallied. They start with deciding 1st place. You had a majority of judges marking you 1st (4 of 7) so you got 1st place. No couple had a majority for marks 1-2, so they go to marks 1-3, and couple 322 had a majority there so they were marked 2nd. Couple 299 had a majority for marks 1-4 so they were marked 3rd. Etc. and so on, ad nauseam, subject to various tiebreakers.

etp777 said:

THe columns there are totals/counts of the scores on left.

Take Couples 299 as an example. They had two judges place them in first, which gives you 2 in first column. They had no one place them as second, so that zero is added to the 2 from first column (hence column called 2+, telling you it's been added) which gives you 2 again in second column. One judge gave them a third, so that 1 is added to the 2 from the previous column, to give a 3 in 3+ column. Two judges ranked them fourth, so that 2 is added to the 3 in previous column, and that gives them five, and so on.

The way this works then for final placing is that the couple with the most scores in each column takes that place. So 294, with four judges giving them a first, won first. Couple 299, with a 3 in the 3+ column, got third (322 has more in 3+ column, but the had already been placed second), and so on. Sur eosmeone else will explain it easier and clearer, but it's early, and I haven't had coffee yet.

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AHH I get it so its for tallying! I see and you mean couple 295 (HEHE my vanity is making me correct this lol)

So can anyone explain what happens in a tie?

Edited by David as the previous link was no longer in service

The Skating System

The Skating System is primarily used in ballroom and Latin dance competitions. It involves multiple judges who independently score each couple in various dance categories. The system aims to minimize biases and ensure that the most consistent and skilled dancers are rewarded.

Scoring Process​

1. Judges: A panel of judges is assigned to evaluate the dancers. Typically, there are five to eleven judges.
2. Marks: Judges rank the couples in each dance based on their performance, giving them a place (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.). These rankings are called "marks."
3. Categories: Dances are judged individually, and each dance within a category (e.g., Standard or Latin) is evaluated separately.

Determining Winners​

The process of determining the winners involves several steps:

1. Judges’ Placements: Each judge ranks the couples for each dance. For instance, in a final round with six couples, a judge might rank them from 1 to 6.
2. Majority Rule: The system uses a majority rule to determine the final ranking. A couple must obtain a majority of "better" marks (lower numbers) to secure a position.
   • For example, in a competition with 7 judges, a couple needs at least 4 judges to place them 1st to be awarded 1st place in that dance.
3. Skating Down: If no couple receives a majority for a position, the system "skates down" to the next position. This continues until a majority is achieved.
4. Overall Placement: After individual dances are judged, the overall placement is determined by summing the placements across all dances. The couple with the lowest total score is declared the winner.

Tie-Breaking​

In case of a tie, the system uses specific tie-breaking rules:

1. Dance Count-Back: The number of first-place marks received in all dances is considered. If still tied, the number of second-place marks is checked, and so on.
2. Re-Dance: If a tie persists, a re-dance or an additional dance-off may be conducted.

Example​

Consider a final round with 6 couples and 7 judges. Each judge ranks the couples from 1 to 6 for each dance. The scores are then aggregated using the majority rule to determine placements. For example:

• Dance 1: Couple A might receive the following marks: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 1, 2.
• Dance 2: Couple A receives: 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2.

Couple A’s final rank for each dance is calculated using the majority rule. Then, the total score across all dances is summed to determine their overall position.

Advantages of the Skating System​

• Fairness: It mitigates the impact of outlier scores or biased judges.
• Transparency: The method is systematic and transparent, with clear rules for scoring and tie-breaking.
• Consistency: It rewards consistent performance across multiple dances.

thanks joe

I told ya someone would do a better job of explaining it.

Wonder if Suburbaknght has a math equation for the relationship between the scores.

lol I already failed statistics once I dont wanna think of all the sigmas and betas a math question between dances would look like

* head exploads