When is the new USADance Proficiency Point Limit Becoming Effective?

Lorelei

Lorelei

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Just saw an email from USADance with a link to the new Rulebook. Proficiency points are lowered to 200 from 300. Does anyone know if it is effective immediately, or is there some grace period?
 
I dunno the answer to that, although I'm sure someone will come along soon enough to do so... but IMHO if this will actually affect you or if you might have to worry about that, then it's time to move on up!

~~moving on up, you're moving on out, time to break free, nothing can stop me yea!~~ (that's my crappy singing)
 
Daphne, where is the point database? It's been promised by USA Dance for over a year... were you able to ask about it? You mentioned that you would ask after the New Year...
 
Lorelei said:
Just saw an email from USADance with a link to the new Rulebook. Proficiency points are lowered to 200 from 300. Does anyone know if it is effective immediately, or is there some grace period?
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My guess is effective immediately. It is January 2010.
 
I believe that in our specific case, my partner and I will point out faster that we would have under the old system. I would agree it is time to move up when you are at the top of the final in your division, or are making finals at large competitions. Partner and I have danced 5 competitions in our division, 2 of which were very large (about 40 couples) and we were in the quarter final. I would respectfully disagree that someone with that result has the right proficiency to move up to the next level...
 
I should clarify that by the "old system" I meant the point system USABDA used for placement in finals, and not the 300 point limit that existed for the last 2 years.
 
If you win a 40 couple event, you will probably get about 12 points each. With a 200 point couple limit, that means you would have to do this 9 times before you point out. If you made it to the quarterfinal you would only get 1 point, which means you can do this 100 times before you point out. I don't think that's too restrictive.
 
Went back and read the rule. You are right. I was mistakenly counting proficiency points for placement in quaterfinal, which results in a much higher point count.
 
It's a pretty complicated description of how to determine your points. I wonder how many people have no idea how many points they have, but think they do.

Yet another reason that there should be a points database that's easily accessible...
 
Simply mandating reporting of all results in a common file format as a condition of sanctioning and dumping them on an ftp server would have been enough. Those maintaining scruitineering packages would have had to spend a day or so writing export backends, and we'd likely have several open source solutions for processing the data by now - probably one way linked to college comp calculations and popping up automatic warning flags in some of the registration systems.
 
In WCS, there is also point system and every competition organizer has a certain amount of time to report the comp results back to whoever keeps the database of points. You can go online at any time and check out anyone's points (and call them out on it when they register for the wrong division;)). Perhaps someone who understands these things can contact World Swing Dance Council (www . swingdancecouncil . com) and see how they do/did it. Seems to me, with an appropriate computer program, it would only be marginally more difficult to do this with ballroom (given that there are more dances/competitors in ballroom).
 
Without a points database on the USADance site that is available to the public, this rule is impossible to enforce.

Even if you show up to dance bronze and someone complains that you should be dancing silver or gold, I would put it to them to prove it. And even then they would have to allow for an appeal due to possible errors in reported results, etc...
 
Casayoto said:
I wonder how many people have no idea how many points they have, but think they do.
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I dunno but I'm in the camp of: no idea how many points I have, but I know I have no idea.

Not sure this is any better :p But at least I'm preeetty sure I'm not dancing in any levels I'm even close to getting kicked out of ;)

ballroomregistrar used to have a point tracker for the comps it was used for (maybe still does)...was only mildly helpful cause it didn't have all the comps but back when a lot of college comps used it, it was good for YCN syllabus to some extent...some day...
 
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