Revised dress rules, take 3

twnkltoz

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Ok, I'll start it. How about starting with a brainstorming session...what do you think should be disallowed costumes-wise for youth and adult competitors in syllabus competitions?
 
Great! Thanks, twnkloz. :D Does anybody have text of an existing rule set we can use for a starting point? Please post. 8)
 
One thing to keep in mind: the IDSF doesn't seem to make rules except for championship, so anything allowed in open is theoretically on the bargaining table for syllabus: the debate over appropriate additional restrictions is purely inside USA Dance.
 
Okay, I'm getting together the current IDSF rules with a little bit of commentary in them. Hang on....
 
Is it worth mentioning what the mission is for each set of rules, like, "the spirit of the rules set for adult syllabus is to create an environment friendly to newcomers and focused more on the dancing rather than over-dressing"? That was a ramble off the top of my head, but would making a general statement for each catengory be worth while, before getting down to specifics?
 
Good idea. I've always wanted some motivating statements incorporated into the rules or some other commentary. I think a lot of people would be a lot more comfortable or at least understanding of some of the rules if they were told what was behind them.
 
My next post will be the IDSF rules. I've added a few notes, they'll be marked with traditional editor's square brackets: [Note text goes here -- LLL] LLL is my initials, I did it that way so that you'd know the comments came from me.
 
IDSF DRESS REGULATIONS
[Singapore, 2002 -- LLL]

JUVENILES
[Juveniles are what we still call Pre-Teen in the US. The age range is 11-and-under. -- LLL]

GIRLS

DRESS:
-Black skirt + white blouse, leotard or T shirt
-Simple one colour dress + panties
-Leotard with skirt attached

Skirt is plain or pleated made of minimum 1 to maximum 3 half circles. One simple circular underskirt allowed. No frills on the skirt or the underskirt. No boning, soft boning or fishing line can be used in the hem of the skirt. The skirt should not be more then 10 cm above the knee and not longer than just below the knee cap. The panties of the dress have to cover the underwear. For permitted designs see appendix I. [This is the diagram with all the kid dresses that we see in the USA Dance rules. -- LLL]

MATERIAL:
Not [sic] see through materials and no metallic materials are allowed. Combination of different materials of the same colour is allowed. If lace is used it has to be lined with opaque material of the same colour.

COLOUR:
Any colour except flesh (skin colour).

Panties have to be the same colour as the dress.

DECORATION:
No decoration allowed (rhinestones, sequins, feathers, flowers, bows, fringe, lace applications etc.)

SHOES:
Block (square) heel shoes only, heel no higher than 3,5 cm. Any colour is allowed. The shoes may be worn with short socks of any colour. Skin colour tights may be worn, no mesh tights allowed.


HAIRSTYLES:
No elaborate high hair styles, artificial hair, hair ornaments, coloured hair spray and no glitter can be used.

MAKE UP:
No make up is allowed. No artificial lashes, artificial nails, glitter, artificial tan and no nail polish.

JEWELLERY:
No jewellery allowed (bracelets, rings, necklaces)

BOYS

DRESS:
Black trousers, underfoot strap optional. Black belt optional, metallic buckle allowed. Plain white long sleeved, ready to wear shirt (cotton or polycotton preferred), no shiny or patterned materials allowed. No wing collar and rolled up sleeves allowed. Black tie or bow tie must be worn for Latin and Standard. Metallic tie clip allowed: The shirt must be tucked in.
[Sorry, there's some funky punctuation here. I can't believe they didn't have a native English speaker proof this. -- LLL]

DECORATION:
No decoration is allowed.

SHOES:
Black low heel (max 2 cm) leather, suede or patent shoes only. Worn with black socks.
[See! Plain leather shoes ARE allowed! -- LLL]

HAIRSTYLES:
Short hair is preferred. If the hair is long it has to be worn in a ponytl [sic].

MAKE UP:
No make up is allowed.

JEWELLERY:
No jewellery allowed.



JUNIOR I
[Junior I is ages 12-13. -- LLL]


GIRLS

DRESS -LATIN AND STANDARD-:
Competition dress with no decoration (rhinestones, sequins, beads, pearls and feathers …). Metallic, glitter and sequined materials are not allowed. Combination of different colours, lace materials, lace applications, flowers and fringe are allowed.


For the rules regarding the cut of the dress refer to the adult section of dress regulations and appendix II.
[This refers to the second diagram, the one of an adult woman with the parts that have to be covered shaded. -- LLL]

COLOUR:
Any colour except flesh (skin colour).
[This seems to clear up the question as to who can wear what. You can't have the color of your dress be your skin color. If you're black, you can wear beige, and if you're white, you can wear deep brown, but you can't wear whatever matches your own tone. -- LLL]

Panties have to be the same colour as the dress.
[Oh good :) -- LLL]


SHOES:
2" (5 cm) cuban or slim heel is allowed worn without short socks. No mesh tights allowed.
[Good, this cleans up any picky points about metric conversion. -- LLL]

HAIRSTYLE AND MAKE UP:
The same rules apply for junior I as for juveniles.

JEWELLERY:
No jewellery allowed (bracelets, rings, necklaces)

BOYS

DRESS -LATIN-:

As Juveniles or:

Black or midnight blue trousers. Black belt optional, metallic buckle allowed.

Black, midnight blue , or white long sleeved top (no rolled up sleeves). The top must be tucked in. Black or midnight blue vest optional. Metallic tie clip is allowed.

For the materials and cut of the top refer to the adult section of the rules.

DECORATION:
No decoration is allowed.

SHOES:

As juvenile

HAIRSTYLES:
Short hair is preferred. If the hair is long it has to be worn in a ponytail.

MAKE UP:
No make up is allowed.

JEWELLERY:
No jewellery allowed.

DRESS -STANDARD-:


Black or midnight blue trousers and vest worn with:
-white long sleeved shirt and black tie or bow tie
or
-white dress shirt and white bow tie

Metallic tie clip and cufflinks are allowed.

DECORATION:
No decoration is allowed.

SHOES:
Black low heel shoes only. Worn with black socks.

HAIRSTYLES:
Short hair is preferred. If the hair is long it has to be worn in a ponytail.

MAKE UP:
No make up is allowed.

JEWELLERY:
No jewellery allowed.


IT IS ALWAYS ALLOWED TO DANCE DRESSED ACCORDING TO A LOWER
GRADE RULE.

FOR EXAMPLE JUNIOR I CAN USE JUVENILE DRESS OR JUNIOR II CAN USE JUNIOR I DRESS.

IF JUNIOR I AND JUNIOR II ARE NOT DIVIDED, RULES FOR JUNIOR II APPLY.
[Good, that's how I've been running things locally for the past few years. -- LLL]


JUNIOR II [Ages 14-15, so now we're talking high school age. -- LLL]

GIRLS

DRESS -LATIN AND STANDARD-:

As junior I or as adult.

BOYS

DRESS -LATIN-:

As junior I or as adult.

DRESS -STANDARD-:

Black or midnight blue trousers and vest or black or midnight blue trousers and jacket, worn with white long sleeved shirt and black tie or white dress shirt and white bow tie. Metallic tie clip is allowed.

or

Tail suit (black or midnight blue) with all the accessories (dress shirt, bow tie, studs etc.)

DECORATION:
No decoration is allowed.

SHOES:
Black low heeled shoes with black socks.

HAIRSTYLES:
Short hair is preferred. If the hair is long it has to be worn in a ponytail.

JEWELLERY:
No jewellery allowed.



YOUTH + ADULT + SENIOR
[Youth starts at age 16. Youths can dance up into Adult events. -- LLL]

LADIES

DRESS -LATIN-:
Competition dress.

For the rules regarding the cut of the dress refer to appendix II.

The area between the hip line and the panty line, plus the breast area must be covered completely. (Hip line is defined as the top of the hip bone).

No see through material is allowed on these areas. No high cut panties, tangas, cuts bellow the hip line and see through inserts in the panties.

When standing the skirt should cover the panties completely. It is preferable that the panties show as little as possible during dancing.

If the dress is two piece, then the top must not be a bra only.
[Based on the picture of the shaded woman, though, I'd say that a bra with stuff hanging off it it so it looks like some sort of bare midriff top is okay. -- LLL]

COLOUR:
Any colour except flesh (skin colour).

Panties have to be black or the same colour as the dress.

SHOES:
No restriction.

HAIRSTYLES AND MAKE UP:
Excessive make up and too elaborate hair styles are not desirable.
[I see this as being a warning and not a rule. I guess this gives officials leeway to tell someone they look like Krusty the Klown. -- LLL]

JEWELLERY:
The chairman can ask the competitor to remove an item of jewellery if it presents danger to the dancer or to other competitors.
[Ta daaa!! So now we have justification for letting ADULTS wear whatever rings they want, including their wedding rings. -- LLL]

DRESS -STANDARD-:

Competition dress with decoration.

No two piece dresses are allowed. No cuts bellow the waist line, no low necklines. The breast area has to be covered completely. No see through materials on the brest area and between the waist and the pantie [sic] line.

If the skirt is split it can be split to the knee and not higher.

COLOUR:
Any colour except flesh (skin colour).

SHOES:
No restriction.

HAIRSTYLES AND MAKE UP:
Excessive make up and too elaborate hair styles are not desirable.

JEWELLERY:
The chairman can ask the competitor to remove an item of jewellery if it presents danger to the dancer or to other competitors.

MEN

DRESS -LATIN-:

Trousers: Black or midnicht blue (no see through material is allowed).

Shirt/Top: Any colour including multi colour except flesh (skin colour).

See through materials can be used as the decoration but not as a basic material. The amount of see through material used can not exceed 25 %

The shirt or top has to be tucked in. No sleeveless shirt or tops are allowed.

The shirt can be open down to the end of the breast bone

Vest, jacket or bolero jacket of the same colours as trousers are optional.

Tie, bow tie or scarf are optional. If a scarf is worn it has to be tied and tucked inside the shirt.

DECORATIONS:
Use of decoration is allowed.

SHOES:
No restriction.

HAIRSTYLE:

Short hairstyle is preferred. If the hair is long it has to be worn in a ponytail.

JEWELLERY:
The chairman can ask the competitor to remove an item of jewellery if it presents danger to the dancer or to other competitors.

DRESS -STANDARD-:

LADIES AND MEN

USE OF RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS AS DECORATION OR JEWELLERY IS NOT ALLOWED.

CHANGE OF DRESS DURING THE ROUND IS NOT ALLOWED EXCEPT IN A CASE OF AN ACCIDENT THAT MAKES THE DRESS UNUSABLE.

ADVERTISING Advertising according to the IDSF Competition Rules.
 
Yeah the IDSF rules look fairly tolerable. If anyone has the old USABDA rules around it would be interesting if Junior II was then restricted to really low heels, but other than that not too much to object to.

Again though, these are rules for open, and still pretty minimal in the adult category; what further restrictions make sense in preparatory levels is a per-country decision.

For Adult/Youth:

I'm not quite sure why the old (pre-2005) adult syllabus rule can't simply be modified to include the new IDSF 'decency' rules applicable to open, and then be done with it. The open smooth guys could then inherit permission from the syllabus rules, just as they used to.

For the younger categories:

It doesn't look like syllabus needs to be restricted beyond the IDSF open rules. Simply transcribe them more accurately and fix the obvious errors. There are changes I would like to make (allow longer skirts, let boys wear a colored long tie and sweater, etc) but altering the IDSF rules is a whole different project.
 
Yep Chris -- I think most of us here on the same wavelength. I'm going to start on the changes and will post them here. I think it would be easier on me if we did them a section at a time. I'll start with the Juveniles and work up (since doing the kids won't take long as those rules were pretty good to begin with). I've got copies of the three most recent USABDA rule books hanging around, too. Doing the Adult Syllabus will be the most interesting, but I feel like I should save it for last :)
 
What about looking into the costuming rules for in other countries like UK, Germany, Australia, etc? I dont' have time right now, but I'd be interested in seeing how other countries cope with syllabus costuming.
 
Well, the adult syllabus rules we had in the past seemed to be very reasonable. I'd be very happy with just heading back in that direction. Take a look when I get there and tell me what you think. Right now I'm about to post the Pre-Teen re-write. I just fixed some spelling and grammar errors, rewrote a couple of sentences to make things clearer, and added a couple things that came directly out of the IDSF rules for Juveniles -- like the thing about plain black leather shoes.
 
PROPOSED NEW USA DANCESPORT DRESS CODE (section 3.10)

Changes from the 2005-2006 USA DanceSport rules (effective May 2, 2005) are in bold. Editor’s comments are in bold italic.

3.10.1. PRE-TEENS:
The rules for Pre-Teens are intended to conform to current International DanceSport Federation (IDSF) rules for the Juvenile age group.
3.10.1.1. All dance styles and proficiency categories
3.10.1.1.1. Boys
3.10.1.1.1.1. Costume: Black trousers (underfoot strap optional), optional black belt, black socks, plain white long sleeve shirt (no shiny or patterned materials, no wing collar, no rolled up sleeves, must be worn tucked in), and optional black tie or bow tie (metallic tie clip allowed).
3.10.1.1.2. Decoration: None.
3.10.1.1.1.3. Shoes: Black leather, suede or patent leather, low heel (maximum heel height 2cm [3/4” ?? – LLL]).
3.10.1.1.1.4. Hairstyle: Short cut or long hair in ponytail.
3.10.1.1.1.5. Makeup: None (no artificial tan).
3.10.1.1.1.6. Jewelry: None.
3.10.1.1.2. Girls
3.10.1.1.2.1. Costume: Black skirt and white shirt, blouse, leotard, or t-shirt; leotard with attached same-color skirt; or simple one-color dress with same color panties (must cover underwear). Skirt is plain or pleated, made of one to a maximum of three half-circles, one simple circular underskirt is allowed. No frills [or ruffles?? – LLL] on the skirt or underskirt. Any single color is allowed except flesh-toned; no metallic or transparent materials; no boning, soft boning or fishing line allowed in skirt hem. Minimum skirt length is 10cm [4" ?? -- LLL] above the knee cap, maximum skirt length is just below the knee cap (see Figure 1 – Regulation Costume Diagrams, below). Short socks may be any color, skin colored tights allowed, no mesh [or fishnet?? – LLL] tights.
3.10.1.1.2.2. Decoration: None (no rhinestones, no feathers, no flowers, no bows, no fringe, no lace applications, no beads, no pearls, no sequins, etc.)
3.10.1.1.2.3. Shoes: Any color block (square) heel shoe (maximum height 3.5cm [1 ¼” ?? – LLL].
3.10.1.1.2.4. Hairstyle: No artificial hair, no hair ornaments, no colored hair spray, no glitter, no elaborate high hair styles.
3.10.1.1.2.5. Makeup: None (no artificial eye lashes, no artificial nails, no artificial tan, no nail polish, no glitter).
3.10.1.1.2.6. Jewelry: None (no bracelets, no rings, no necklaces [no earrings?? – LLL]).
 
Something to keep in mind is dancers dancing in multiple levels. For example, what happens to the dancer who is covered in fake tan for the pre-champ Latin who follows that with the gold Latin? Does the dancer get disqualified from the gold for having the tan? Does the dancer have to be penalized for not wearing the tan in the pre-champ to prevent disqualification from the gold? This is along the lines of letting women with permanent fake nails dance. We just need to take care and be reasonable.

On a related note, hairpieces and the like should be allowed at many levels to allow those with tupees, wigs to cover baldness from chemo, etc. to dance without feeling awkward.

The same type of thing could certainly be true of championship youth dancers competing in championship adult A; some of them are some of the best in adult A, and we want to allow them to do both. I don't think we have to worry about most other age category cross-overs.

Christopher
 
callen said:
Something to keep in mind is dancers dancing in multiple levels.
Good call... maybe an escape clause for non-removeable body enhancements.... but, on the other side, maybe people dancing in multiple categories should error on the side of the stricter rule set. For example (even though this really isn't a rule), world 10 dancer men usually have shorter, cleaner haircuts, instead of having a pony tail, which is fine for a Latin only dancer, but risky for Standard... but hairpieces could be allowed for all levels, and tans mabye just for adults.
 

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