USADance questions

wyllo said:
Lin - is the restriction just for juniors then or does it include Adult A? I've got some worried "kids" on the team. :)
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Rule for dresscode: "Materials Not Allowed for Syllabus Apparel for Pre-Teen through Adult age categories:

High sheen and/or reflective fabrics, including fabrics with metallic flecks or threads, are not allowed.

Foil, beads, sequins, rhinestones, glitter, metallic thread or anything that may give the appearance of glitter or sheen, or anything that may give the appearance of the above but is not mentioned is not allowed on any syllabus apparel for Pre-Teen through Adult age categories.

Any questionable fabrics/designs must be cleared with the Chair of the Rules Committee or the DanceSport Official for the event, prior to the actual start of the competition."

I don't know if that clears it up or not. They've made it pretty clear in their newly revised dress code. I, like... stalk the USADance website just to make sure I'm not going to break the dresscode. So yeah, Satin isn't allowed for Syllabus (It used to specifically list satin as an example for "high-sheen" but I can't find it in the revised rules).
 
Flyingkamakiri;760821[I said:
• Examples of allowed material are: velvet, chiffon, crepe, satin, menswear fabrics, and stretch
fabrics.
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It used to list satin as an example of materials that can be used, actually.

This is rather facinating to read as we have to struggle with our own version here in Finland. Lately, we've been told chiffon is not acceptable as the outer layer of the skirt, because it is see through but lace would be ok as it is listed in the allowed materials. :rolleyes: I'm waiting to hear they ban stretch velvet next...

These days, it seems the only safe option is matte lycra.
 
XtremeNuisance said:
(It used to specifically list satin as an example for "high-sheen" but I can't find it in the revised rules).
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It was not smart to take it out as an example if they still intended it to be "shiny"...if its in the previous version and then removed it should serve as a clear sign that it is now okay...

It does seem though that soon syllabus dancers are going to have to spend a lot of money on non-costume costumes because compliant/acceptable store bought wear is getting harder and harder to find...besides the fact that those competitors who rely on hand-me-downs are also suffering (practically nothing I wore in syllabus a few years ago would jive now) :sad:
 
A good friend of mine was complimented by a USA Dance official about how she had done a great job with her syllabus costume (which she made herself) and which was made with satin fabric. So, if satin is now not allowed it would seem like USA Dance should send out some sort of explicit clarification to members. Otherwise, I imagine there will be a number of very confused syllabus dancers.

It is very frustrating for dancers to work very hard to figure out and follow the rules to receive multiple interpretations of them from officials. It seems like the rules have been out long enough now that we should all be on the same page as to what is and is not allowed. But it feels like we keep getting further away from any cohesive understanding of what the rules are and what they are trying to achieve.
 
wyllo said:
Lin - is the restriction just for juniors then or does it include Adult A? I've got some worried "kids" on the team. :)
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I'm not certain, but I think it goes for adults as well. I noticed some adult latin syllabus guys having to do a quick change near the on-deck area... and since the lacey shirt guys got to keep their shirts on, and I don't remember there being a restriction on how open the front of the shirts have to be, the only thing I could think of was satin material, or the strip of satin on the guys' "neckline" (or button and buttonhole area, whatever that's called).
 
Glasswren said:
It used to list satin as an example of materials that can be used, actually.
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Ah. My fault. I just remember I brought in some Satin to ask if it was okay and I guess it was too shiny or something? Idk, I still see people running around in satin dresses, so they may be a little lenient (depending on the comp. I know High Point Classic was no non-sense. A girl was told that she had to do something about the strings on her halter-dress because they were considered floats (or something)). It can get kind of crazy though, so it never really hurts to ask the person running the event.
 
wyllo said:
So, if satin is now not allowed it would seem like USA Dance should send out some sort of explicit clarification to members. Otherwise, I imagine there will be a number of very confused syllabus dancers.
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I think so too! I hadn't considered checking the 12 edition until someone told me to be cautious about it. Now my partners friend is working so hard on a top that we won't be able to wear because of the Bits of noticeably Shiny Satin. Also, I heard from someone that their are rulings against certain kinds of decorations like flowers made of shear, etc. But not too clear on that one.
Clarification from the heads of this department would surely be appreciated.
 
Maybe I should bring various sizes of black cloth patches and some safety pins as a public service to cover up offending dress parts at competitions. The black patch of cloth will have some light grey lettering on them saying "Censured" just so it's purpose is perfectly clear.
 
Bring what you want to wear that may be borderline, and also bring a backup (the plainest, unshiny-est thing you can find that's still flattering.). Probably the best option...

The biggest problem I think is just inconsistency when it comes to enforcing the rules. Some organizers will let a lot of little things go and some will not, or focus on specific rules and not pay attention to others.
 
middy said:
Bring what you want to wear that may be borderline, and also bring a backup (the plainest, unshiny-est thing you can find that's still flattering.). Probably the best option...
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Isn't that silly, though? How long do we have to keep bringing a back up outfit just in case? And, as someone previously pointed out, there aren't that many options for off-the-rack dresses that conform to the rules. What if you've only been able to find one dress in your price range and it's satin? And just because you are allowed to wear an outfit at one competition (including regionals or nationals) does not mean that you won't be found in violation of the rules at a later competition.

I don't think it's too much to ask to have clearly defined rules and to expect consistency in enforcement.
 
I think the rule started out with good intentions, make it easy to compete and wear something from your closet to do so. But then people pushed the limits trying to wear something costumey that still fit the letter of the law but not the spirit, so they had to make the rules stricter and stricter to cover all the people trying to sneak in with something more costumey. And at this point, it's gotten to where you have to buy somthing special to fit the rules. If they'd just say, you have to cover your boobs and booty and wear all black, it would seem easy. But then people would be wearing all the rhinestone jewelry because the rules didn't prohibit me wearing my engagement ring so obviously it's ok to wear giant rhinestone belt with a black thong and balcony bra. Then they'd have to start tying up the loose ends again and they'd be just as much of a mess as they are now.
 
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