The Ocho Cortado Thread
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What move do you call an ocho cortado?
Do you have a video example that shows what you consider it to be?
Is it a step or a sequence?
Do you think some things are erroneously called Ocho C.?
Is there more than one "right" way to do it based on styles?
etc...
I remember several times the topic has come up in various threads, with the occasional poster mentioning how what most people call Ocho C really isn't or other specifics, but the conversation never gets explored.
So lets explore!
opendoor
Forum Master
??? Curious, posted this only a few minutes ago, but no one seemed to be interested, then....
It´s only step, but teacher usually inflate it to a sequence consisting of fouettes, turns etc. The OC is a broken off and bounced back front8 just before the pivot would occur.
Ampster
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Here's an ocho cortado. It's how I learned it from Oscar Casas. It's how I do it.
There were no deep philosophical, meta-physical, resume inflated didactic, over-analytical thoughts about it (in my case).
Dancing it is just a simple matter of learning it, and applying/modifying its delivery based on the skill level of whomever I am dancing with. Eventually, it evolved into something uniquely "Mine."
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There were no deep philosophical, meta-physical, resume inflated didactic, over-analytical thoughts about it (in my case).
Dancing it is just a simple matter of learning it, and applying/modifying its delivery based on the skill level of whomever I am dancing with. Eventually, it evolved into something uniquely "Mine."
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Oscar's looks like a good example. It's an 8 figure that has been cut, it's not circular anymore, it's linear. That's why it is cortado. It allows for quicker dynamics and has a completely different feeling from the front ocho or a front step in front of the leader.
I think all of this debate over figures plagued tango-l and it makes dance talk fall into semantics since i'm sure someone else will have learned it to be different.
I think all of this debate over figures plagued tango-l and it makes dance talk fall into semantics since i'm sure someone else will have learned it to be different.
Could you post a video example of what you are referring to so I can compare that look to the one already posted?
I would consider 8-cortado to be a three count sequence, consisting only of the last three counts that Oscar shows. For me, the first three counts are not part of it, because you could do the last 3-cts coming from various other combinations.
To get involved semantically, I think the term implies an ocho that is cut in the middle.
Angel HI
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Though I agree w/ Oscar, OD's link is a better example in that it is a simple ocho cortado; no tricks, no frills, no nothing. I completely agree w/ Amps in that it is a movement that requires no deep philosophical, meta-physical, resume inflated didactic, over-analytical anything. It is exactly what it says... a cut 8. Begin an ocho; break it in the middle, then complete it. Oscar's examples using his foot to create the quebrada is cool, but unnecessary if just learning.
OT Warning: Hey OD, I am interested in "da cor". Is this d' accord in the french, or some reference htat am unfamiliar with?
OT Warning: Hey OD, I am interested in "da cor". Is this d' accord in the french, or some reference htat am unfamiliar with?
Ampster
Active Member
YES! It is a forward ocho interrupted... Cut short... Cortado
Mario7
Member
The 'cortado' is when the trailing woman's foot is forced to cut across in front of the other foot.. ok, next!:friend: The 'interruption' of the...whatever.... is just complicating the idea all over again. One has to understand that if a woman does the front ocho and reverses with another one coming back..that is NOT an ocho cortado..the Ocho cortado is the cutting line of the foot across in front of the other foot....here's one at 42 secs into the video..notice these include a side step after the front ocho..and a wiggle...very sexy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk3I4sFBm7I&feature=related
Ampster
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Here you go:
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newbie
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I always failed to see where the ocho was. I lead a side step followed by a cross. There is never even the beginning of an ocho. Now for some reason the name is ocho cortado. I don't know what would be the spanish translation for a side step followed by a cross. Maybe it would not sound good. Maybe it would not sell.