Pro Am where Am is the male

skwiggy said:
I don't know much about pro am, so I'm not sure... but I think that at the open level the couple is supposed to be judged as a couple. In syllabus they are only supposed to judge the am.

And while they usually run separate events for the male ams and female ams, sometimes they do combine the events. So in this case, yes, the male am is being compared to the male pros.

I remember talking to a male am who won a mixed open pro am event at OSB one year. He was very proud of himself for coming out ahead of all of the male pros on the floor. He led me to believe that he was competing directly against them.
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Ah! Well good to know.

My comments above were regarding the syllabus events I've been in, not anything in an open catagory. ;)

Didn't even know they had events where Am males compete against Am females. Wow! :shock: :rolleyes:
 
Dancefever said:
Chris Stratton said:
Actually there are quite a few... but a smaller fraction of them will do pro/am since there are fewer advantages compared to an amateur partnership.
Of course.
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Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. Men have a bevy of amateur women to choose from. Probably why so many male dancers get such big egos.
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I would hazard to say that there could be more then one reason. ;) :lol:
 
In single dances the Students are judged against each other.
In Championships or Scholarships you are judged as a couple. This would include Open or syllabus events.
 
mamboqueen said:
The thing I notice most about the male pro/am dancers I've seen -- and this is strictly my opinion -- they don't seem to show a range of emotions from dance to dance. I noticed this with David, too. I thought his expression (and he did show some) was not that different in rumba than it was in cha cha. Having said that, I still couldn't take my eyes off of Diana and David.
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Very Interesting observation. :cool:
 
One of my coaches, who is also a regular judge says that in Silver and above, he places the couple, not the student. I'm not sure I agree at that level, but I wasn't going to debate it with him.

That would make me think that if your pro is good, you will tend to get higher marks.
 
and here i thought if your pro had lots of students, poured lots of money into comps with pro-am entries and was a good politicker, then you tended to get higher marks! oh wait.
 
Dancefever said:
Of course.

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. Men have a bevy of amateur women to choose from. Probably why so many male dancers get such big egos.
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Er... um... the other side of that coin is that quite a few women have no interest in dancing in an am couple, having to suffer with someone who just might be a less-than-perfect lead. I know of more than a few female competitors who never, under any circumstances, dance with anyone other than their instructor.
 
alemana said:
and here i thought if your pro had lots of students, poured lots of money into comps with pro-am entries and was a good politicker, then you tended to get higher marks! oh wait.
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Tsk, tsk, such cynicism! Not to say that it isn't warranted sometimes... :x
 
(sorry, this is added for clairity)

Originally Posted by mamboqueen
The thing I notice most about the male pro/am dancers I've seen -- and this is strictly my opinion -- they don't seem to show a range of emotions from dance to dance. I noticed this with David, too. I thought his expression (and he did show some) was not that different in rumba than it was in cha cha. Having said that, I still couldn't take my eyes off of Diana and David.

Let's pick David apart along with the other male "students".

I don't think that comment is at all fair, in fact it is stereotyping.

If I said that the women amateurs in pro/am tend to be (as an example only) "more out of shape" than the female professionals, could that be taken the wrong way? Is it fair? Is it stereotyping or just my opinion?

In Dancebeat I have read where the columnist point out where some women professional competitors need to "get in shape" if they expect to move up. So this is something the judges take seriously, but is it right?

Maybe I just took the comment too personally.
 
oh, you're reacting to the comment about emotional expression. having gone back and read it - yeah, you're definitely over-reacting... perhaps the comment hit close to home in some way. the word "stereotype" is far too strong for the very mild comment MQ made.
 
but that aside - i h avent' seen this particular pro-am couple dance, and i'd like very much to. i haven't seen terribly much "high level" pro-am dancing at all, just one comp, USDSC this year, so it would be nice to get a fuller view of what i'm up against. there is a local couple i have seen many times where the am is the guy, and seeing them work together on the floor was one of the things that made me *want* to do pro-am, actually. it had some semblance of a partnership, and i liked that.
 
(probably also has something to do with the fact that there isn't, in this case i'm talkinga bout, a huge age difference between the two of them. that helps 'equalize' things subconsciously to me, i think.)
 
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