Brummbaer

finally. But the wound in my back still hurts a bit!

Yeah, right:rolleyes:

You're mistaken, I and almost everyone else wrote about the "vals porteño". Your vacillation shows that we need reliable vocabulary...

And that's fine because the implicit context is Argentine Tango. If you're considering it amidst a plethora of other waltz forms, and in...

I usually use the bare term "Vals".

The question was about criollo in an AT forum; not about 'porteña' specifically. You might be writing about something different? 'Vals...

That refutes your own arguments. We're currently writing about the Vals Porteño, not the Vals Peruvano. Never said that.

Do we listen to tango music to learn the canon off by heart or to develop instincts for it? I guess both

Because... Which misleads the original question in an AT forum. Yes, the Argentine Tango Vals is nowadays its own dance form created...

Lima (~1916, Argentine Tango of the Salon) also mentions that tango steps can be applied to the music of the waltz, and specifically...

It existed, but not as we would know it today, and it's naming is unclear - all of those names quoted by @opendoor were possible. Rather...

Can you please explain this when we have Tango Vals from Canaro and De Angelis that go pretty far back? Are you claiming that the Tango...

That's the music; not the dance. The dancers weren't imported to do a specific variant! They were the immigrant mix that was present...

These early imports did not yet lead to the vals porteño. It was the suitcases full of sheet music that people like Canaro brought back...

Of course they danced VW because vals wasn't invented yet. The vals porteño is a relatively young dance, and despite its name, it has...