Nothing, I perfectly agree.
The same is for me.
I think that libertango can be considered tango.
Althought its strong 3:3:2 rhythm can create difficulties to some dancers.
Dancing Tango to Milonga and Vals
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I think that libertango can be considered tango.
Althought its strong 3:3:2 rhythm can create difficulties to some dancers.
Mea culpa.
Not promoting it, just using it.
I have seen recreations of how "waltz" has been danced in by gone days. It is quite different than how "ballroom" waltz is danced today. But, then, again in days gone by, there were serveral to many versions of waltz done in the American hinterlands as documented by Llyod Shaw. "Pursuit Waltz", and Spanish Waltz" are two that come to mind.
Although AT was where I learned about only stepping on two beats per measure to "waltz" music, it turned out that "Canter rhythm" has been taught as something you can do to waltz early in the 20th century. "Canter Waltz" was one of them.
So, given the variety of how to dance to waltz music, yeah, people dance "vals" to waltzes played by tango musicians.
Although AT was where I learned about only stepping on two beats per measure to "waltz" music, it turned out that "Canter rhythm" has been taught as something you can do to waltz early in the 20th century. "Canter Waltz" was one of them.
So, given the variety of how to dance to waltz music, yeah, people dance "vals" to waltzes played by tango musicians.
Divide a 4/4 measure into 8 eighth notes (12345678 ). Then emphasize the 1, 4, & 7 beats (123 456 78 ).
123 456 78
3 - 3 - 2
For another example of this, look up 'Milonga Triste' performed by Hugo Diaz (it's on you tube). The guitar plays continuous eighth notes but emphasizes 1, 4 and 7.
opendoor
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Thanks for the keywords, Steve. Unfortunately I am lacking video clips of these dances. Only found on YT:
vintage:
Spanish Waltz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0VSc7ttXp4
unspecified vintage waltz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3XMDDRdJw
Saint Bernard's waltz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoJipuJwxs0
Viennese Waltz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrvh9fX5ilQ
Five-Step Waltz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75FNd0PpWo8
(American) Scottish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BshYzRtlWs
contemporary:
Vals Peruvano http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpdfH3a-b2w
Chamamé de Corrientes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uS4qIv7kxE
bordertangoman
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It very much depends on the leader. 12- is a lot easier for me, if I'm just counting beats without listening to music. Of course, most times it's easy to pick up either when the music suggests it.
Why would anyone count beats without listening to the music? What for?
I only ever suggested 12-1 as a default pattern for syncopation for the inexperienced, but would only do it where the music suggested it was appropriate.
Stylistically, one of the reasons why the music suggests a 12- accent is frequently to do with the timing of the three beats within the bar, rather than the presence of any clear and explicit accent on count 2. It is typical for musicians to play the waltz rhythm with a slight elongation of the second beat, landing the third slightly late, and this produces a form of implied accent, and something very close to the canter timing mentioned here previously. This is by no means restricted to vals, but seems to be of general application, and can be heard most clearly in orchestras that play Viennese Waltz as concert music.
Well, the milonga is certainly not the place to do it, but a leader may very well be thinking actively about rhythmic responses to music, and the mechanics of how (and when) to respond to auditory input - but to do it in class or the practica. After all, it is rare to find a naturally gifted dancer, from whom flows great technique combined with musicality, completely spontaneously. We all have to learn our craft somewhere, and we can only start from where we are.
Academic interest, trying to analyze, teaching, etc. When I'm dancing at the milonga, I dance to the music, not abstract counts in my head
This ^Academic interest, trying to analyze, teaching, etc. When I'm dancing at the milonga, I dance to the music, not abstract counts in my head
:cheers:
bordertangoman
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Academic interest, trying to analyze, teaching, etc. When I'm dancing at the milonga, I dance to the music, not abstract counts in my head
only did that once as a demo so i could ingore the music to see how many people could see I was off the music.(this freaked my partner tee hee)