How to learn tango: Teachers

Gssh

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After reading the "so quiet here" thread i started to think about what i know about finding a good tango teacher, and putting together my ideas on that topic.

The main problem is that as a beginner we obviously have no way to decide if a teacher is a good or a bad teacher, and additionally it is quite difficult to get good recommendations from other people - different people have different learning styles, and different goals in their tango dancing, and somebody who is a good teacher for one person might be a bad teacher for somebody else. Additionally people are in general too polite to make strong statements about other people in the relative small tango communities - especially as it almost for sure will get back to the other teachers. And people who are willing to make strong statements throw up a completely different set of red flags.

One of the best bases for a decision would be to see ones teacher dance at a milonga. How do they look when they dance "in the wild"? Do they dance with other people than their partner? Do they match the overall flow of the dancefloor? Do the people around them look comfortable?
The next thing to check out are other students of the teacher. No matter how bad somebody might be as a dancer and teacher, they are still much better than a beginner, and even bad dancers can look amazing when dancing with their partner/people they have trained themselves, to music they chose themselves, at a milonga that they chose themselves. Other students might be a better measure to figure out what we can expect to look like after 1 year, or 2 years with that teacher. In my experience many teachers who do group classess are willing to let beginners/prospective students watch their advanced classes, and that is often a better view of what their teaching looks like than the beginners classes.

What should one learn in the beginners class?
This is quite subjective, and there are no real rules - different teachers have different approaches, and different students have different preferences.
But there is one thing that i personally feel should be part of every beginners series (i am assuming something like a 8 week course) - this is heavily biased by my perspective of tango as a social dance that has its purest (and maybe only) expression at the milonga - other people who see tango more as a performance art would probably look for different things:

The line of dance: While practicing "figures" can be stationary, there should be some time spent in class on using the "figures" while moving around the room in the line of dance. This includes some basic navigational tools on how to deal with being stuck behind somebody and how to turn corners.

Everything else - figures, basic or no, embrace, whatever is (somewhat) negotiable, but if you are not learning tango as a travelling dance it will not work at a milonga.


That is the real test of a beginners class - one should be able to go to any milonga and survive on the dance floor and have some fun. If the teachers recommend against going to milongas, or push going only to their milonga that is a bit of a warning sign, but on the other hand they have the control over their milonga, and are able to make it beginner friendly and make sure that beginners feel welcomed, so it is not neccessarily a bad sign.

Taking beginner classes from different teachers is potentially a good idea, but requires a bit of discipline. Teachers are very, very different from each other, and what one has learned from one teacher might not be directly applicable to what another teacher teaches. Like in writing classes - some start off with writing haiku, some start off with writing instructions for a toaster - in the long run things will fall into place in the big pattern that is "good writing", but in the short run it is quite incompatible. So to profit from a new class with a new teacher it is essential to be willing to actually start from scratch in the way that the teacher asks us to.

This is also equally important for taking workshops - only by accepting and agreeing with the framework the teacher is teaching from is it possible to learn from them. Surprisingly many intermediate students have difficulties with that, and end up quite frustrated because of it. During a workshop one has to do his best to dance in the teachers style and framwork - adapting the ideas (if possible) to ones own style/other styles is self study. In privates one can ask about how to adapt these ideas to other things (though i think it would probably not be the best use of ones time), but that has no place in workshops/group classes.

Gssh
 
...about finding a good tango teacher...One of the best bases for a decision would be to see ones teacher dance at a milonga..."

Thanks for posting and putting forward your ideas for discussion. This said beforehand, because I do not agree in all of your points. I find a teacher must not implicitly be a good dancer. And also must not be a good teacher in the beginning. This becomes important only later on:

In the first phase, a teacher accomodates his students and offers a home (sheltered from the real tango world). This phase is important for learning the social aspects of tango.

In the second phase the teacher offers a structural framework at which vocabulary and improvisation skills are attached. (For me it is that regardless which didactics a teacher may follow, whether Todaro, Pugliese, Naviera, or DNI, only to mention the most relevant ones.)

In the third phase students begin to compare their own skills with what students of the same cohort have learned by other teachers. Not before this very moment the capabilities and the proficiency of that teacher plays a role.

It will require some personal commitment and charisma to tie the students to the studio further on. Most teachers content themselves with three classes and leave the students alone because the profit will decline from now on but the effort will increase.

In the forth phase the teacher is a source and quarry for inspiration. But (for me anyway) a YT vid can serve as well, then.

About the fifth phase (deconstruction) I wrote before, but perhaps this resembles only my personal way to tango.

..the real test of a beginners class - one should be able to go to any milonga and survive on the dance floor and have some fun. If the teachers recommend against going to milongas... that is a bit of a warning sign

Agreed!
 
Thanks for posting and putting forward your ideas for discussion. This said beforehand, because I do not agree in all of your points. I find a teacher must not implicitly be a good dancer. And also must not be a good teacher in the beginning.

I somewhat agree - the teacher does not have to be a good dancer - and a beginner will not be able to evaluate the skill of a dancer anyway - even most intermediate dancers are not able to evaluate skill independent of style.

This was not meant to be about skill, but about - for lack of a better word - the vision of the teacher. When people say they teach tango there is a wide range of different things they might be teaching. I think the important part is to have seen ones teachers vision - and it is seen most directly when they dance, and to be able to say "I can imagine for myself to look like this and dance like this". In my personal experience my early lessons have left surprisingly persistent traces in my dance.

This persistence is also why i am not sure about the "not a good teacher" part - bad habits that are set early are awfully hard to extinguish - i have my share of those, too. But the key problem is again that as a beginner there is no way to evaluate a teachers skill as a dancer, or as a teacher, and that in my expereince the community is not helpful in figuring out who the good teachers are.

Gssh

P.S. thank you for your well thought out disagreement - this is why i put it out there - to learn, and to see other perspectives :)
 
I somewhat agree - the teacher does not have to be a good dancer - and a beginner will not be able to evaluate the skill of a dancer anyway ...

I'm not sure about that. I know that at very high levels of sport a good coach can teach a player, even if the coach can't do the skill he is teaching. But at the social level of dance, I'm not sure. It's hard for me to think of a successful teacher that is not also a skilled dancer.

Teachers are like wine: everybody has a different idea of what's good. And it's true that a student may change his/her mind after learning more about the dance. Also, some teachers may be very good at beginners levels, but not so much at a higher level, or vice versa.

Mainly, for beginners, I think a student should feel inspired to dance the way their teacher dances. It's an individual intuition and it may not turn out to be correct in the long run, but the student has to figure it out for themselves. If a student asked me to recommend a teacher, I could do it, but I would also make sure the student understood that it was only my opinion, and that the student should find out for themselves.
 
I'm not sure about that. I know that at very high levels of sport a good coach can teach a player, even if the coach can't do the skill he is teaching...

My first teacher, an Uruguayo, grafted into my heard what (social) tango should look like. I still draw on his smooth little, intimate and subtle figures and his style of walking. He once said "Andy, it´s time to go out". Together we visited all the milongas of my home town for two weeks. He introduced me to the tango scene. He showed me good dancers, good milongueros, bad dancers a.s.o. Two years ago I asked him, why I had to immigrate? Why he once did´t make me his assistant teacher? His answer: the teacher still must be a better dancer than either of his students. AndaBien, I hope you can understand now why I wrote, a teacher must not actually be a good dancer?
 
...His answer: the teacher still must be a better dancer than either of his students. AndaBien, I hope you can understand now why I wrote, a teacher must not actually be a good dancer?

I'm sorry, I don't understand your point. The two sentences above seem to me to be contradictory. Am I missing something?
 
In some poorly developed communities teachers are not good dancers. They are better than other. They seek for knowledge going on festival, taking clasees, dancing, ..., studying the dance.
Later they organize various workshops with foreign teachers and even real professionals.
They discover the dance and present to others. They have pure heart and a lot of love for the dance.
Over time they develop skills that make them good dancer and good teachers, eventually they become excellent dancers and teachers.

We all must somewhere. I know that we would like to have great teacher and instructors.
AT is progressing into all areas of the world and above situation is less and less happening.
But there are still quite large cities with underdeveloped AT scene.
The ones who have bigger experience are welcome to teach, no matter how their real skills are.
The most important thing is that they transfer enthusiasm to each students.

First post is a little bit idealistic. That community is well established and there are many schools.
So I wrote this post where we don't have such ideal environment.
 
Over time they develop skills that make them good dancer and good teachers, eventually they become excellent dancers and teachers.

This is not always the case, and I can quickly think of two AT examples here in Portland. I can also think of others who, because of HOW and WHAT they teach, and what they leave out, do not serve the community well - in my opinion of course.
 

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