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bordertangoman
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not a clue.
Pugliese was a musician/composer
Pugliese was a musician/composer
bastet
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Also true- but Mingo and Esther Pugliese were quite famous....mother and father to Pablo Pugliese.
I believe Mingo and Esther had a system of teaching, also numeric. I experienced it back in '99 when I took my first tango classes....didn't understand it very well....
I, for one, am so very glad that most modern teachers don't seem to be using the old numeric methods much and go with the much more simple and easy to relate to front cross, back cross and open step methodology.
bastet
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I do remember in some classes I had a few years ago, our teacher tried (again) to get me to understand the Pugliese numbering system (which he was using to teach us positional options in turns - so he was relating it in a circular fashion- maybe that is the difference)...didn't get it then either...but next time Pablo was in town to do classes, he was using the front cross, back cross, open step method...for which I am thankful...
newbie
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I once took a beginner group class with him and he taught us a sequence that could be considered a basics. I haven't written it but it was very different from the usual 8CB basics, though it had one common feature, the variety of steps in the sequence. It combined backward, side and forward steps, probably a pause at some point. Unlike in the 8CB the two partners were not necessarily stepping at the same time. I remember Gavito counting the steps "One for the lady. Two for me. Three together. Four pause. Five together" and so on. Maybe it was the Gavito's basics.
opendoor
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Re: Gavito's basics
Oh that sounds interesting. Must be a very subtile way of leading. I found some material that fits to your statements at the end of the following vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5bopI-8ArU&feature=related
Probably the contents is similar to the workshops you have taken.
Oh that sounds interesting. Must be a very subtile way of leading. I found some material that fits to your statements at the end of the following vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5bopI-8ArU&feature=related
Probably the contents is similar to the workshops you have taken.
Ampster
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Aha! Yup. That's what I was talking about. If you look at time marker 2:52 to 3:09, this was what I was talking about. Gavito (when he was still alive) refered to it (as everybody else) as the 8-count basic. He just leads it differently, and very sloooowlyyyy via subtle weight changes (almost looks like a forwrd boleo), into a cross. Most beautiful.
opendoor
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Think it was Gorbachev who judged me: "He who comes too late is punished by life."
Keith
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I have never heard the term Gavito or Pugliese Basic; however, I have had a class with Mingo/Ester and with Pablo/Ester where they taught a giro that went through 8 counts. It started with the partners stepping in parallel footwork. When the follower went through a quick-quick (back-side-fwd), the partners were then stepping in cross footwork. Within the giro, there were a number of opportunities to exit and the exits varied with the parallel and the cross footwork. Although I rarely dance that 8 count giro, I still relate to the positions they taught as I do giros.
opendoor
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Gavito´s Base
Just found another example of Gavito´s Base at 1:05 in this recently posted vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ZCHZDwxTY
Just found another example of Gavito´s Base at 1:05 in this recently posted vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ZCHZDwxTY
larrynla
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The so-called 8-count basic is a figure that Antonio Todaro pioneered for STAGE tango. Here he is with his very young daughter.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPC7Zc0az9Q
He taught many of the pro dancers who went on to tour the world and teach, and so spread this show-tango figure to foreign students.
But if you look at videos of dancers in Buenos Aires you'll see that they don't dance in this linear fashion. Most of their figures are circular and pretty much in place. This is the molinete, also called giro.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7HmCGjYRYE
This is what Mingo Pugliese and his wife and son teach. They have a particular 8-count version of it, but other Argentines teach their own variations.
This dancing in place came from the very tight dance floors in the more popular milongas in Argentina. As you'll see in the video, often the dancers will do a clockwise giro, then a counter-clockwise one, maybe half-giro in one direction or the other. (A half-giro is sometimes called la media luna, or the half-moon.)
Then when a space opens up they'll take maybe two steps along the line of dance, and returning to doing more giros.
Remember that any "basic" is not some absolute rule that you have to follow robotically. It's a START, a simple figure to get you moving with a partner. Then when you become a bit comfortable with it teachers will begin to show you variations on it, and alternatives.
The Argentine tango is not like many other social dances with an official syllabus and official bodies who rule what is and is not proper. It's an improvisational dance, very creative, where more advanced dancers try to develop their own uniquely individual style.
Laer Carroll
ShapechangerTales.com
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPC7Zc0az9Q
He taught many of the pro dancers who went on to tour the world and teach, and so spread this show-tango figure to foreign students.
But if you look at videos of dancers in Buenos Aires you'll see that they don't dance in this linear fashion. Most of their figures are circular and pretty much in place. This is the molinete, also called giro.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7HmCGjYRYE
This is what Mingo Pugliese and his wife and son teach. They have a particular 8-count version of it, but other Argentines teach their own variations.
This dancing in place came from the very tight dance floors in the more popular milongas in Argentina. As you'll see in the video, often the dancers will do a clockwise giro, then a counter-clockwise one, maybe half-giro in one direction or the other. (A half-giro is sometimes called la media luna, or the half-moon.)
Then when a space opens up they'll take maybe two steps along the line of dance, and returning to doing more giros.
Remember that any "basic" is not some absolute rule that you have to follow robotically. It's a START, a simple figure to get you moving with a partner. Then when you become a bit comfortable with it teachers will begin to show you variations on it, and alternatives.
The Argentine tango is not like many other social dances with an official syllabus and official bodies who rule what is and is not proper. It's an improvisational dance, very creative, where more advanced dancers try to develop their own uniquely individual style.
Laer Carroll
ShapechangerTales.com
opendoor
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Subtle way of leading the cross - Gavito´s Base
Inspired by a recent post, I studied the vid with Gavito´s Base again, a very smooth and elegant way of leading into the cross by gentle turning of the upper body. I worked on it a time ago, and forgot about it totally. Also to find on this vid are some forced crosses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5bopI-8ArU
w.r OD
Inspired by a recent post, I studied the vid with Gavito´s Base again, a very smooth and elegant way of leading into the cross by gentle turning of the upper body. I worked on it a time ago, and forgot about it totally. Also to find on this vid are some forced crosses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5bopI-8ArU
w.r OD