professor vs. master

[opendoor]

On El Indio´s Homepage I found this interesting discrimination:

http://www.losartesanos.com/contenido/artecallejero/iym_ingles.html Among his academic teachers are Elvira & Virulazo, the Dinzels, Copes, Gustavo Naveira & Olga Bessio, Mingo & Ester Pugliese, Graciela Gonzales. Among the milongeros Tete & Maria, The Cieris, Nina & Luis, Facundo & Kelly, Carmencita Calderon (companera del Cachafaz), El Pive Palermo, Pepito Avellaneda & Susuki, Tommy, El Tano Guillermo, El Tigre, Omar Vega, Pupy...

What does it mean? What can you learn from the former, what from the latter? Who do you think can dance, think, talk, teach, instruct, show, hear, feel, systematiz, analyze, invent, perform, refine, carry one off, ..

 

[v22TTC]

I'd say that it's a fairly over-simplistic distinction, using the wrong terms, which could easily be perceived as insulting:-

A good teacher 'should' be both academic and artistic/soulful (so able to teach all of the things on your list) - as they move towards only one pole they become less good as teachers.

Academics and Milongueros?... dear me....

 

[dchester]

On El Indio´s Homepage I found this interesting discrimination:

http://www.losartesanos.com/contenid...ym_ingles.html Among his academic teachers are Elvira & Virulazo, the Dinzels, Copes, Gustavo Naveira & Olga Bessio, Mingo & Ester Pugliese, Graciela Gonzales. Among the milongeros Tete & Maria, The Cieris, Nina & Luis, Facundo & Kelly, Carmencita Calderon (companera del Cachafaz), El Pive Palermo, Pepito Avellaneda & Susuki, Tommy, El Tano Guillermo, El Tigre, Omar Vega, Pupy...

What does it mean? What can you learn from the former, what from the latter? Who do you think can dance, think, talk, teach, instruct, show, hear, feel, systematiz, analyze, invent, perform, refine, carry one off, ..

I'm not sure at all, but my guess is that "academic" is referring to teachers that actually can explain (possibly analytically, or using some kind of model, or system, or whatever) what they do.

 

[v22TTC]

I was too brief to be properly clear: what I mean is that the left-/right-brain supposed divide in approach is overly-simplistic: A properly-developed corpus callosum allows both hemispheres to be used simultaneously (for maximal performance) - any absolute divide is only a choice, not self-evident and law-like fact.

 

[Zoopsia59]

On El Indio´s Homepage I found this interesting discrimination:



What does it mean? What can you learn from the former, what from the latter? Who do you think can dance, think, talk, teach, instruct, show, hear, feel, systematiz, analyze, invent, perform, refine, carry one off, ..

I wonder if he's just drawing a distinction between teachers who taught organized classes and sought to make money at teaching as a profession vs dancers from whom he learned by observation and/or direct social contact and "instruction" given in a less formal situation than a class or lesson.

Teachers vs Mentors.

 

[Lilly_of_the_valley]

On El Indio´s Homepage I found this interesting discrimination:



What does it mean? What can you learn from the former, what from the latter? Who do you think can dance, think, talk, teach, instruct, show, hear, feel, systematiz, analyze, invent, perform, refine, carry one off, ..

It means he shares his own experience. He is the only person one should ask for explanation why he places a certain name in one list, and not the other (and I would not hold my breath for a clear, precise, systematized answer, either ).

 

[Lilly_of_the_valley]

I wonder if he's just drawing a distinction between teachers who taught organized classes and sought to make money at teaching as a profession vs dancers from whom he learned by observation and/or direct social contact and "instruction" given in a less formal situation than a class or lesson.

Teachers vs Mentors.

That sounds plausible.

 

[Mosca Negra]

My goodness. Does it really matter?

 

[Zoopsia59]

My goodness. Does it really matter?

It seems from some of your recent posts, that you think quite a few of the threads or conversations are somehow silly or pointless. Maybe I'm not getting what your are trying to convey, but if you don't think this stuff is worth anyone's while, maybe you should start some threads based on what you DO want to discuss...

Just a thought.

 

[newbie]

Milongueros can't teach, maybe that's what El Indio means. Sebastian Arce one told us how in his youth he once took a private with El Pibe something (there are many) to learn how to lead a boleo and the milonguero-but-not-teacher explained, ok you push on this shoulder and she will make a back boleo, you push on the other shoulder and she will make a boleo with the other leg, you pull on the shoulder and whe will make a front boleo, you pull on the other shoulder and she will make a front boleo with the other leg.

Or maybe El Indio means that teachers cannot dance.

My own experience, having on one hand heard Pupy trying to explain something and on the other hand seen Gustavo dancing, would make me choose the first possibility.

 

[ant]

I think that the Milongeros you ahve mentioned will have something in their dancing that is unique to them and he wants to understand and then maybe emulate that.

I suspect that his view on the acamedic teachers is they take an overall look at AT as a dance and they give there ideas on how it all fits together possibally with a more analytical approach.

It seems to me that this chaps thinks carefully about the way he is learning his AT, he wants to make sure he does not miss any ideas and he does this with an open mind.