Tango Rx needed

Ah sorry I didnt realise there were only 2 choices :) In which case, I feel for you - good luck!

(Ant, it's of course disappointing when it doesnt work with a "great" follower, but such is life - I cant dance with ladies who are 4ft 10 for instance ;) )
 
I really like this.....
Mario, it is possible that the lady is taking each of your movements as an invitation to move, whether that movement is intentionable or not on your part as an invitation.

If that is the case then the challenge is to become careful with your own movements and be sure to move only when you intend to give an invitation to the lady.

If this is the case Mario, you will also have to change your mindset and assume that the lady will pick up on each invitation and execute it perfectly in which case you will not need to feel where she is all the time because she will already be where you want her.
I would iterate this exactly. Dance w/ her, not as if she were an advanced dancer, but as if she were a rank beginner. Learn to lead and then follow before executing the next lead. And keep in mind that just because she is an advanced dancer, doesn't mean that the problem is yours.
 
while one I can feel perfectly where she, her weight is, the second woman has me mostly guessing. Her suggestion/complaint to me was that I 'shouldn't try to move a leg that is carrying weight but only the weightless one' ..well, yes of course, but this woman is sooooo light ans soooo fast that; it's difficult for me to change weight without her anticipating/noticing and changing at the same time...even when I don't want her to and try very hard not to lead her to...also, she is changing weight on every nuance of my upper torso and so lightly that I often do not notice that she has already changed weight.
I notice that the 'feel' is as if she had only one leg extending down from the middle of her body..honestly!!
I said 'try it' and she then began to feel like an 80 lbs. bag of cement...

I hate to say it, but it sounds like she hasn't learned how to effectively do simple weight changes.
AT requires clear communication between partners. Not only do your leads have to be clear, but your partner should be clear in communicating her weight changes to you. There should be no doubt in your mind as to where her weight is.
It has been written and said that the weight change is the most basic "step" in AT, and yet it is rarely taught.

You write that you are dancing "close embrace/milonguero", but you don't say "apilado".
How much weight is your partner sharing with you? (You have to share the same amount to remain stationary.)
Many "close embrace" dancers do not share enough weight to allow their partner to feel their steps (and weight changes).
There is also a distinct possibility that she is "dampening" the feel of her weight changes with movement in her hips, knees, or torso.
This is NOT the same as being able to make yourself heavy or light. There should be a clear, definate axis from her weighted foot to her center/torso, and if you are sharing enough weight, you should be able to feel it.

If you want to find out, have her stand in front of you, "embracing" you, but without arms.
Now ask her to do repeated weight changes.
Do not change weight yourself.
Can you feel the weight change now?
Can you feel a slight shift in her torso?

Now, put all of your weight on one or the other of your feet, and ask her to have her weight on the corresponding foot ("parallel system").
Lead her to change weight by moving your torso from side to side.
Can you feel her weight change?
Do you understand where she is getting the lead to change weight?

I can't remember where this happened (I've been in "non-English speaking countries" a few ties over the past few years), but someone once told me that I spoke English very well. I thought that was an odd thing to say to a native English speaker. But, I decided that what this person was telling me was that I communicated well in English. Short, clearly understood phrases. Simple vocabulary.

AT is like that in that you, meaning both the "follower" and the "leader" are responsible to communicating clearly with your partner: weight changes, axis, momentum, etc.
I have yet to see most teachers emphasizing this to the women (although some do).

Try those exercises if you can. Maybe it is all you (but I doubt it, based on what little you've given us to work with)!
 
Thanks everyone for the new posts on this topic..I feel that it is being fleashed out and will have a remedy.
Steve, many thanks for the in depth reply. This is also along the lines that i was thinking (hoping) and you give clear details in how to approach the 'problem'. Yes, I believe that in spite of several years of experience, she does not know how to sink into simple weight changes. I will try all you recommend with her next Tuesday.... I can't wait. :cool:
 
Well, tomorrow is Tuesday already. I will be dancing with the weightless butterfly again.
I'm thinking of just doing my patented Milonguero walk...step, step, step, weight change, weight change, step, etc, etc. I have noted that all good woman dancers can follow me in this..I do it to the music and it is obvious and makes sense even if it is not that common a way to dance...it's tango it's with the music it's full of weight changes and they are telegraphed...let's see what happens. ..wish me luck.:cool::rolleyes:
 
CAUTION: Care to not go in w/ a tainted mind. Before she and her husband moved, I would often have the intense pleasure of dancing w/ Kristin... an absolutely to die for partner w/ 1 big flaw. She was so incredibly light on her feet that it was often difficult to tell where her weight was, yet it was always correct, and she was always where she was supposed to be.
 
Point well taken Angel..but the weight is still on my side..hee hee, so far. But really, upon thinking about it; this thread really helped by zeroing in on weight changes as being THE problem. Now, if all I do with this dancer are weight changes...that should really be THE eye opener. I shall report back tomorrow morning.
There will be a good Tanguero there tonight from Colombia..as the best leader is still nursing an ingrown toenail, it will be between myself and this Colombiano for 'best lead of the night'.:cool::nope:;)
 
I think that the Colombian won but not by much. Anyway, the advice was right on and a few had nailed it...I did the first dance as planned nothing but weight changes to start and she got them all correct, then 2/3 thru I simply forgot about it and did my normal dance but carefully. There were only 2 or 3 steps where I could not be sure of where her weight was..so, that's it. She is super light and very quick. A little too light for me but we worked it out. She had a tendency to pull to the closed side which made the Colombian lead go off balance for an instant...I deducted 5 points for that one.:cool:;)
Anyway, it just goes to show that there are posts worth reading here..!.
 

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