Heather2007
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Erm...How does this relate to Zoopsia's question? Stay on track guys, it's a good thread/good question.
What is choreography?
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Erm...How does this relate to Zoopsia's question? Stay on track guys, it's a good thread/good question.
bordertangoman
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Joaquin Amenabar said you had to be familiar with the music in order to dance tango to it, and I find this to be true. Knowing the song allows a greater ability to decide what to do, but if its unfamiliar then hearing the structure of the music helps.
Heather2007
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Disagree. Especially from a follower's pov. As well as in other types of music: I have sat and watched somebody dance as well as sing along to a track in a reggae or R&B nightclub. They know the words but the hips and legs on the other hand are doing something entirely different.
bordertangoman
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I think there is an element of both; predictability of music......
IMO choreograhy starts when a move is not a natural progression from the previous position of the either the leader or follower.
I don't think it matters whether this is in a performance or social setting.
I don't think that predictable movement based upon the knowledge of your partner per se is choreography.
As far as I can think, are predetermined moves at specific points in a track, although maybe a consequence of natural progression choreographed. I think then the question may be has that predermination affected the leader and followers joint natural movement in anyway and if so then this maybe choreography because then their earlier steps maybe affected in order to achieve the predetermination
I don't think it matters whether this is in a performance or social setting.
I don't think that predictable movement based upon the knowledge of your partner per se is choreography.
As far as I can think, are predetermined moves at specific points in a track, although maybe a consequence of natural progression choreographed. I think then the question may be has that predermination affected the leader and followers joint natural movement in anyway and if so then this maybe choreography because then their earlier steps maybe affected in order to achieve the predetermination
For me, if the follower doesn't know what is coming (and typically the entire routine is practiced), I wouldn't consider it to be choreographed.
I assume you are talking about a performance, as I'm not smart enough to figure out how to choreograph a dance with lots of other people on the floor to worry about.
opendoor
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Hi Mario, one question ahead: excuse my english, with "open stance" you mean an "open hold" - "con luce" , right ?
I think social and nuevo aren´t counterparts. Here in my town there are locations, where neo ist social standard, and locations where Salón or Milonguero ist social standard. And, the complexity of the dancing and figures depend on your mood, on the space available, and on your abilities. For me, I find it a lot more complicated to dance in close hold, b.c any mistake in your own axis will throw the follower out of her.
Concerning my experience with Nuevo-students: I had an eye on the local TangoDiscovery Scene (they teach pure Nuevo, Neo, resp.). But, their curriculum does not have any sequences. They start with extremly broken down movements to accelerate the student´s ability to improvise. But they teach all of them (back sacadas, sacadas for the lead, aso) right from the beginning. There must be a thread, where we discussed this. But, I cannot find it, yet.
cheers
OD
I think social and nuevo aren´t counterparts. Here in my town there are locations, where neo ist social standard, and locations where Salón or Milonguero ist social standard. And, the complexity of the dancing and figures depend on your mood, on the space available, and on your abilities. For me, I find it a lot more complicated to dance in close hold, b.c any mistake in your own axis will throw the follower out of her.
Concerning my experience with Nuevo-students: I had an eye on the local TangoDiscovery Scene (they teach pure Nuevo, Neo, resp.). But, their curriculum does not have any sequences. They start with extremly broken down movements to accelerate the student´s ability to improvise. But they teach all of them (back sacadas, sacadas for the lead, aso) right from the beginning. There must be a thread, where we discussed this. But, I cannot find it, yet.
cheers
OD
Mario7
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My definition: If a sequence is not really led and followed, it is correographed.
also: If classmates dance a sequence and it is not really led and followed, it is correographed. (during and/or after a class)
So, 'correography' does not simply refer to performance tango, in my book.
As to my use of the term 'open stance' I use it because 'open embrace' is an oxymoron.
bordertangoman
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lets live with the oxymoron rather than create confusion;
i would take "open stance' to mean where ones legs are apart
Heather2007
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Yeah, just before a member of Scotland Yard kneels you in the nuts and then drags you off courtesy of the Crown :raisebro:
Two " statements " in one..
" If the follower etc".. is a freestyle/form ,that pretty much everyone dances.. yes, we do use amalgamtions, but are hopefully willing and able to change sequences without interupting the " flow " of the dance, as may be necessary due to circumstance ( this is exactly what I, and other pros teach our competitors ( and even beginners ).. contingency..
Entire " routine " . ..thats the operative word.. THAT is a choreg. dance..and, incidentally, you should take care, that your sequencing "fits" the music.. thats the whole point( as should all else that you care to use, in any format )
bordertangoman
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WHAT IS CHOREOGRAPHY
Choreography is a short story that can be abstract or realistic in three main acts; an intro, a climax and a resolution. The inspiration for the short story is the music; the dancers tell the tale and the music sets the moods whether dramatic, alegro, or playful, etc... The final choreographed routine is a fixed unit in itself, orchestrated to be performed is as an exact repetition of the moves in an exact, precise timed sequence with the same music.
In my profession repertoire in the 1950's I had seven personal choreographed ballroom Routines and dozens I created for other professional dancers, routines that only varied in the embellishment of the moves but not changing the timed sequence of the configurations or the rhythm.
Of course once the dance is choreographed it is called a routine. Can a choreographed routine be led with a someone other than the original partner(s)? A professional routine to be performed before a paid audience is not designed to be a leadable with strangers, although many of the moves in closed position obviously need to be leadable to effect a precise unity of movement of bodies.
However, just because one improvises a series of moves during a dance does not constitute Choreographing unless the dancer can unify his improvised moves into a complete timed sequenced unit, that can be taught as an exact repetition of the dance to the same music that it was designed for.
Choreography can be taught just like any other subject, but like any other subject, only a few are gifted professional choreographers. And just like other performing arts, a choreographed routine must be unified dance configurations that can be repeated in timed sequence like Russian ballets, and hopefully tell us an entertaining short story, realistic or the abstract. in
And that is what Choreography is for me.
Uncle Joe
The Dancer's Best Friend
Choreography is a short story that can be abstract or realistic in three main acts; an intro, a climax and a resolution. The inspiration for the short story is the music; the dancers tell the tale and the music sets the moods whether dramatic, alegro, or playful, etc... The final choreographed routine is a fixed unit in itself, orchestrated to be performed is as an exact repetition of the moves in an exact, precise timed sequence with the same music.
In my profession repertoire in the 1950's I had seven personal choreographed ballroom Routines and dozens I created for other professional dancers, routines that only varied in the embellishment of the moves but not changing the timed sequence of the configurations or the rhythm.
Of course once the dance is choreographed it is called a routine. Can a choreographed routine be led with a someone other than the original partner(s)? A professional routine to be performed before a paid audience is not designed to be a leadable with strangers, although many of the moves in closed position obviously need to be leadable to effect a precise unity of movement of bodies.
However, just because one improvises a series of moves during a dance does not constitute Choreographing unless the dancer can unify his improvised moves into a complete timed sequenced unit, that can be taught as an exact repetition of the dance to the same music that it was designed for.
Choreography can be taught just like any other subject, but like any other subject, only a few are gifted professional choreographers. And just like other performing arts, a choreographed routine must be unified dance configurations that can be repeated in timed sequence like Russian ballets, and hopefully tell us an entertaining short story, realistic or the abstract. in
And that is what Choreography is for me.
Uncle Joe
The Dancer's Best Friend
WHAT IS CHOREOGRAPHY
BTW Check my Bossa Nova routine on my website that I choreographed for a Lady's Sweet Sixteen Party in 2008. WWW.LINDYBYLANZA.COM.
Uncle Joe
The Dancer's Best Friend
BTW Check my Bossa Nova routine on my website that I choreographed for a Lady's Sweet Sixteen Party in 2008. WWW.LINDYBYLANZA.COM.
Uncle Joe
The Dancer's Best Friend