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  1. brujo

    The long-term solution is dual-role dancing?

    I've met a bunch of guys that tried tango say twenty years ago and didn't continue because of health, relationship, career issues or what not. When they tried again ( I meet them at my beginner classes ) they would try practicas once in a while. To them the vibe was much more different than...
  2. brujo

    The long-term solution is dual-role dancing?

    That is also the complaint I hear from older dudes that go to practicas - I want to go lead women but when I show up they just want to dance with each other and not beginners like me.
  3. brujo

    The long-term solution is dual-role dancing?

    In my experience there is a lot more hesitation when it’s not the main role you started with. A lot of the followers that dance incredibly at milongas won’t lead at one but will do so at a practica. I think the bar is a little higher in their heads of what is needed navigation wise and skill...
  4. brujo

    Teachers who dance socially and those who don't, and their students

    To me the relic part feels like the “saves face when told no” aspect of the interaction. As a asker you still feel like crap when rejected so it’s a bit unclear what this is trying to solve. It kinda makes sense when there is a chaperone next to the person asked but in the modern dance floor it...
  5. brujo

    The long-term solution is dual-role dancing?

    I don’t know about other scenes but the lack of beginner men makes learning pretty brutal when I started. All the women you know in the classes get to dance with men that are ten or twenty years into tango at milongas and practicas and will rip your dance apart. Not maliciously I’m sure, but I...
  6. brujo

    The long-term solution is dual-role dancing?

    I am a man three years learning tango and can’t say that Christo’s experience resonates with mine. Perhaps he’s coming from an era or generation where men following is not common. But I have found that learning to follow and actively doing this in milongas and practicas has been super super...
  7. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    There is an interesting interview about the Seoul tango scene. It talks a bit about how they started as a project where salsa dancers went to Argentina and used their existing salsa promotion skills to promote social clubs to learn tango. And how it kinda evolved from there. I have met a few...
  8. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    One was a tango pianist that had danced for many many years and another one was a beginner that started in Buenos Aires 3 months ago. Was weird that they both decided to find alternative dances
  9. brujo

    Teachers who dance socially and those who don't, and their students

    There is a super interesting interview with Corina de la Rosa where she goes a little bit into how the tango teaching aspects have changed even in her lifetime. For example, she mentioned that things like feminine technique and aesthetics where not really a thing in classes until kinda the late...
  10. brujo

    Teachers who dance socially and those who don't, and their students

    There is also the case where people who don't organize events underestimate the amount of background work needed for a lot of stuff. So when they see a teacher not dancing they probably don't realize how much time they have spent doing private lessons, preparing a DJ set, making sure that people...
  11. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    Is that the tango demographic and population in Northern Europe? A couple of my friends have commented that in places like Taiwan and South Korea the demographic is much much younger and there is a more enthusiastic and younger vibe. In the US, I see that friction between younger folks with...
  12. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    Or don’t dance tango at all and gravitate to other dances. Of course, anecdotal, but from three or four recent conversations with people that have either danced a long time in Buenos Aires and left or learned in Buenos Aires and feel a lot of the disconnect between our local scene and what they...
  13. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    What I hear as well from Argentinians who danced extensively in places like Buenos Aires or foreigners that have trained there is that they won’t dance in their outside countries once they get there because the vibe is just so different.
  14. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    A lot of ideas come from tango and blues. One of the earlier events is tangoed in blues in San Francisco and those dances have an older richer history. Alex Krebs from Oregon was involved in that - TUIB SF - About . In the Portland area at least tango is often the basis of some of the...
  15. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    There are not large number of people but definitively a lot of them don’t mind. And definitively tons more than show up and stay in tango. I go to events where people are welcoming and friendly and also dance closely or at least in a contact level similar to tango. The people there are fine...
  16. brujo

    Mugre

    I think it’s a newer idea but here is a workshop as to how to use musical mugre and apply it to the dance interpretation - AS1. Tango Mugre . Looks like the same instructors also have a caminata and mugre workshop —- Esteban & Claudia Codega
  17. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    Timba and Casino ( salsa ) to Cubans has the same vibe to me. You go to dance events and the Cubans definitively dance it differently. And it has a religious bit to it from the Orishas and rumba that is as profound as the European immigrant experience. And it also has the tourist element that...
  18. brujo

    Mugre

    I really like this interpretation and it’s perhaps the crux of my original question. How do we bring deeper sensibilities into the dance? The way my mind interprets mugre is not the physical and derrogatory dirt floating around but rather kinda more the dirt that you accumulate in your walk of...
  19. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    Cultural elements are always in flux. A tango teacher who was visiting mentioned that twenty years ago teaching women to lead felt novel and he got a ton of pushback on it, whereas today it is almost expected in his travels and reverse role classes are a pretty standard part of what he does. The...
  20. brujo

    Reasons to give up Tango

    I had an interesting chat once with an older gentleman about tango. He was from Argentina and learned to dance when he was 14. Moved to the US and started a pretty successful Milonga. His criticism was that back then tango was considered something that only the poor did, was looked down a bit on...
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