3 months of Ballroom. Observation by a male newbie

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Greetings. Been lurking here a bit. I must say I am intimidated because the forums tend to be geared more towards competitions (or pro-am "comps" in the lingo). But, I think this would be a great place to get feedback on my observations.This will be a long post, because some may be interested.

I had started it because someone I knew in the past that I do not talk to anymore suggested it. That was in my late 20s to early 30s, and I am now in my early 40s. I also had a bit of extra money, and wanted something interesting and different to do at the time. Add to that, numerous articles on the internet saying you would meet lots of cool chicks. Not that I am Mr. Octopus and feel the need to feel up ladies, but being single at the time and having a social circle that had a poor or nonexistent selections of mates interested in me or me them, the thought intrigued me.

I first got a free private lesson from a local studio that is blocks from my house. The lady I danced with was pretty good looking in a trendy New Orleans Marigny/ Bywater geek girl kind of way. She was very patient with me and very encouraging. Of course, I had the "money" talk, but had the cash and felt why not? I would get 20 privates or so, as many groups as I wanted, and a free party every Friday where wine flows. I would spend that much going to a pub a lot.

Numerous classes later and parties later, I must say I wish I did this in my 30s and dare say 20s!

I will state right off the bat, if you are going there just to pick up girls, your time and money would better be served going to a dating site, working on your appearance, actually leaving the house for more than just work or groceries, and living a cool life. Either that, or there are escorts, your morals, cash, and security notwithstanding. Also, most of the stories of 3 girls to every boy depends on area. The club I go to has just as many men as women, though out in the suburbs there seem to be more ladies. Half in all places are couples. Creeps are dealt with pretty harshly, men or women, and the scene is very close. Everyone knows of everyone else, so you have to be cool and be there to actually dance.

That said, it DOES add things interesting to you. Current lady I see does it and it was definitely a feather in my hat. While folks do hook up there and I hear stories, I found this one outside my studio. Even though she has done this far longer than I, she has the added benefit that she knows of all the happenings around town and I have more places to go to than just my studio's club party.

I have noticed this, though, on the subject of men vs ladies. The women seem to be swept up in a nirvana and get entranced pretty quickly as newbies. For men, though, this is rough. Your lead and your head will be constantly calculating stuff. You must navigate a floor, small talk, put together stuff on the fly, all the while doing so in a pleasing manner and NOT STOPPING even if a mistake is made and breaks your frame. Anyone that says this is for sissies or makes you less than a man is ignorant. This stuff is hard. Worse, until you get to a certain point, the ladies would rather dance with someone that give them that nirvana than suffer through the guy that only knows the rhumba box and maybe a spin. It is easier just to go with the flow than have to know a full arsenal like men have to.

But I will say it HAS been worth it. You do meet all sorts of ladies, and cool guys. The dance community for the most part, seem to be genuine people. I am at that certain point where I can do a decent (but very limited) amount of things, but still have trouble with some dances and keeping beats. Some, I must even sit out of anxiety about messing up . But, I am much less awkward and nervous than before. It has given me a lot better confidence.

My only complaints are it is pretty steep as for as cost, high learning curve, and my job has an insane schedule that keeps me from getting the most of my training. There are times I miss a week. Also, the "beginners hell" I mentioned with guys where you do not get as much practice as you would like because beats for a newbie can be hard to follow and you may know one or two tricks you can do poorly. Also, careful with the wine..lol. A little gets you over approach anxiety, a bit too many can make dancing rough. Not that I am a drunk, though a Halloween party I was on the border of being too "festive" to concentrate on new tricks. Thankfully, I was not wasted..lol. No wonder many drink nothing but water!

Anyways... wall of text aside, thought the info might be helpful.
 
Wall of text, but definitely useful information out there. I should give this to guys I date, specifically this aspect of your assessment:

I have noticed this, though, on the subject of men vs ladies. The women seem to be swept up in a nirvana and get entranced pretty quickly as newbies. For men, though, this is rough. Your lead and your head will be constantly calculating stuff. You must navigate a floor, small talk, put together stuff on the fly, all the while doing so in a pleasing manner and NOT STOPPING even if a mistake is made and breaks your frame. Anyone that says this is for sissies or makes you less than a man is ignorant. This stuff is hard. Worse, until you get to a certain point, the ladies would rather dance with someone that give them that nirvana than suffer through the guy that only knows the rhumba box and maybe a spin. It is easier just to go with the flow than have to know a full arsenal like men have to.

I just go weak in the knees for a man that knows how to dance. If you're sick of small talk, put together a group of spins. It's hard to maintain a conversation when you're snapping your head around. Possible, but difficult.

And welcome to the forum!
 
Wall of text, but definitely useful information out there. I should give this to guys I date

I appreciate that. From hunting around, I do not think any guy has ever described what it was like other than "you should do this" sort of web content articles online or men's dating advice columns. Or just "buy dance lessons here" stuff sponsored by studios. Believe me, I hunted far and wide for information before finally deciding to ride over one afternoon and see what it was like myself. I hope some guys on the fence about it googles and finds my little wall of text :D

The part you are referring to, I felt I had to put in there. And there are some ladies I do need to spin a little. One lady uses her 3 minutes with me to complain about all manner of ailments and life stories. She sounds like a great person to practice with multiple spins and swing pass throughs if I can pull it off. :evil: It will be a blast!

Thanks for the welcome.
 
Some followers may cringe at being referred to as "chicks."

That is hilarious. I just dropped to the floor laughing for five minutes and almost spit coffee on my laptop.

Of course, the majority of mainstream web content for men when I did my research pitches it like that. Just google it, if you are in doubt. Thing is, that it is very far from the truth. I just wanted to cash in on an old dare from a decade back I made to some one during a convention in Biloxi. Try something different. Of course, if those articles were correct, that would be the icing on the cake.

But think about this. If the ballroom dance community was THE place to "pick up chicks" as these web content articles state, there would be no community. It would be maybe a lady or two and 10 desperate men who would have little interest in trying different things. It would have all the excitement of a church singles function where the whole object of joining is to leave and no one ever meets or has fun. The ladies would leave.

It makes about as much sense as taking Yoga to do the same thing. I take Yoga and have done so on and off for years. Do I meet ladies? Sure. If you mean being in the same room as a few. Would I try to "pick up chicks there"? Hell no. I would like to be able to come back, thank you :D

One article I read was particularly Machiavellian and awful and the writer posted it everywhere. It was dreadful and sad. That lady must have been really hurt or in a grouchy mood. It made me think twice about going, really. I should post it here some time.
 
I forgot to add, since I probably need to stop looking at forums and do something useful...

I think one of the things I had to overcome is that I initially took a bit of ribbing at work. I work in a plant with a lot of "manly man" types. You know, the ones that live for pick up trucks, NASCAR, pit bulls, free weights, and six packs of cheap beer. In the US South, I might add.

I even had my sexuality questioned by a few. Stuff like "they are going to turn you gay" and other funny stuff like that.

I then turned around to them and asked what is "gay" about holding and being that close to a lady? I also stated that if most of them were gay, it would be better for me if that was my goal. Even the studio manager laughed at that one.

One class, though, we were short on follows. Fairly common because I take it in an urban area. The instructor was male. He played the follow for me on that one. There was nothing "gay" about it. I actually learned something that helped me in a party later by him being a follow that my lady instructor missed. My frame was a bit too loose. I got to feel what a frame should feel like. I have tried to emulate tht ever since.

And, no, while I think the guy instructor is awesome, I do not long for him or anything. I should have mentioned something about that.
 
In my experience, regular guys will often label a dance instructor as 'gay'.... Maybe they feel more secure doing that, but, my instructor is anything but gay.... And he can dance! No offense to any of the guys, but isnt it time we got rid of stereotypes?
 
I forgot to add, since I probably need to stop looking at forums and do something useful...

I think one of the things I had to overcome is that I initially took a bit of ribbing at work. I work in a plant with a lot of "manly man" types. You know, the ones that live for pick up trucks, NASCAR, pit bulls, free weights, and six packs of cheap beer. In the US South, I might add.

I even had my sexuality questioned by a few. Stuff like "they are going to turn you gay" and other funny stuff like that.

I then turned around to them and asked what is "gay" about holding and being that close to a lady? I also stated that if most of them were gay, it would be better for me if that was my goal. Even the studio manager laughed at that one.

One class, though, we were short on follows. Fairly common because I take it in an urban area. The instructor was male. He played the follow for me on that one. There was nothing "gay" about it. I actually learned something that helped me in a party later by him being a follow that my lady instructor missed. My frame was a bit too loose. I got to feel what a frame should feel like. I have tried to emulate tht ever since.

And, no, while I think the guy instructor is awesome, I do not long for him or anything. I should have mentioned something about that.

I don't think there's anything homosexual about a guy being inches away from a girl's butt, legs, thighs, and chest all while maintaining composure. Usually the ones claiming that are just insecure in their own sexuality.
 
And, no, while I think the guy instructor is awesome, I do not long for him or anything. I should have mentioned something about that.

I got a kick out of that. Given that you think you have to assure us here on this forum about your sexuality just because you danced with a man. Hadn't given it any thought until you mentioned it. Actually we dancers tend not to worry about that too much.

Welcome to the forum. Sounds like you're generally headed in the right direction.
 

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