Adopting an Argentine Custom at the Ballroom

tangomaniac

Well-Known Member
:confused:I noticed that the ballroom custom is to dance ONE dance and change partners. Even if the dance was fantastic, dancers don't seem to consider dancing a second dance with the same partner.

In Argentine Tango, the custom is to dance to a set of dances, usually in groups of four. The pattern would be a set of 4 tangos, a set of 4 tangos, a set of 4 Argentine waltz, set of 4 tangos, set of 4 tangos, set of 4 milongas. You dance a set of 4 (called a tanda).

The principle is that it takes a few dances to find out if the man can lead and the woman can follow. It takes a few dances to get acclimated to each other.

But in ballroom, you only have ONE dance to acclimate. Would it be so bad to play 2 consecutive foxtrots, 2 consecutive waltzs, etc?

Michael
I danced Argentine Tango- - with the Argentines
 
Noooooooo !

If I have a great partner then it is ideal BUT if I am stuck with an unsavoury character then I really just want to get away and there is no reason for that.

I have danced 2-3 songs in a row with compatible partners oftentime.
 
I have danced more than one dance with some of my favorite partners. MOst often when twe're having issues with music and it cuts off early. :P But can think of a couple partners in particualr that I'm always happy to grab more than one dance with, and do whenever I have an excuse. :)
 
No problem in my studio with dancing with the same partner for more than 1 dance.

As long as you dont dance together exclusively for the whole night !

Think again, wont be such a biggie either.
 
tangomaniac, it's good to see a argentine tango member come on over to talk with us ballroom folks!

As for dancing sets of songs, I have done it informally at socials before when having a great time with the current partner. But have to agree with dgd, that sometimes you do get an unsavory type that you thank goodness don't have to dance more than one dance with. *grin*
 
Would make a lot more sense to play a waltz, a tango, a viennese waltz, a foxtrot, and a quickstep...
This would only make sense re int'l...not american.

To answer the question, Michael, the custom of dancing only 1 song w/ a partner is a 2-fold one; 1- it was that way in the dnce halls of old (taxi-dancers, etc), and 2- the ladies usually outnumbered the guys so the guys would dance, thank you, and move on so that one woman would/could not hog a dancer.

Every other social at our studio played the music as you asked intentionally. One week we would have rotating sngle dances. The following week we would play 2 of everything excluding such as Paso and Vienesse, etc. This allowed dancers to remain w/ a partcualr partner if they wushed, or to enjoy a chosen rhythm w/ more than one partner.
 
To answer the question, Michael, the custom of dancing only 1 song w/ a partner is a 2-fold one; 1- it was that way in the dnce halls of old (taxi-dancers, etc), and 2- the ladies usually outnumbered the guys .


To bring it up to date.. the "chain " schools in the 40s, 50s ( and probably now ) were always outnumbered 3/4 to one, and the only way to avoid conflict was partner "rotation "...as to dance selection, I run my socials with a 2 dances the same theme, but single dance rotation is also popular in the UK. primarily because schools were mainly couples.

The big bands that toured the UK in the 40s / 50s generally played this "set ".. 3 QS.. 3 W.. 3 F.T. and 1 Tango ( strange. .. reasoning was that it was a more advanced dance ,and not as popular )also, there were far more singles at these events .

One might get the occasional Rumba ( square ) but little else in the latin vein .
 
I don't understand the big deal. You dance one dance, that's enough to figure out if you wanna dance with that person again. If the answer is "yes," you ask for another dance later. If "no," you go on your merry way. No one is either stuck with a partner they dislike for four songs, or insulted by being thanked after one dance.
 
Is it odd that I can't even begin to imagine dancing sets at a BR social*, but it seems utterly and completely normal in an AT setting. In fact, I can't begin to imagine not dancing AT in sets.

*OK, so I can't really imagine me at a BR social anymore to begin with, but all the same, thinking back to when I did.
 
When I lived in London and used to go to socials all the time, everywhere I went dances were played in sets of two. And I miss that!
 
I don't understand the big deal. You dance one dance, that's enough to figure out if you wanna dance with that person again. If the answer is "yes," you ask for another dance later. If "no," you go on your merry way. No one is either stuck with a partner they dislike for four songs, or insulted by being thanked after one dance.
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The point is that in Argentine Tango the expectation is to dance the tanda. In ballroom, the expectation is for only ONE dance. When I ask for a second woman, the woman is usually surprised because it rarely happens.

Michael
Washington, DC:)
 
Noooooooo !
If I have a great partner then it is ideal BUT if I am stuck with an unsavoury character then I really just want to get away and there is no reason for that.

Nobody is obligated to dance the entire tanda. If the dance has been terrible, either partner can terminate the tanda by saying "thank you."
I can't explain all Argentine customs in one message.:)

Michael
Washington, DC
I danced Argentine tango--with the Argentines
 
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The point is that in Argentine Tango the expectation is to dance the tanda. In ballroom, the expectation is for only ONE dance. When I ask for a second woman, the woman is usually surprised because it rarely happens.

Michael
Washington, DC:)

Yes, but I admit I am with Joe on this. What is the big deal?

It isn't a big deal, to us, because this is the norm, here. We dance one dance, or two, and move on.

I believe some of the social norms that have been transplanted from Argentina are done so in the spirit of authenticity, but because they are not our own norms, they are observed outside of the context. We then have people observing rules for no real reason, or out of "tango superstition". (I know this is a general statement, but I will say that I know it does not apply to all milongas or tango dancers outside of Argentina. There are exceptions.) One example of what I mean is when a dancer attends ballroom socials regularly, where the norm is to have one dance and move on, and then attends a milonga and feels offended when somebody leaves them after one dance.

If we're at a milonga (in the U.S.) and the ladies outnumber the men 4 to 1, I don't want to occupy one gentlemen for 3-4 dances while the ladies hug the walls. Also, it is ideal in my book to "get" a tango + something else. I like it when I can catch a tango, and then get a vals (or two) with the same dancer. I will intentionally break it off before the vals set is done so that he can hopefuly find another lady to enjoy a vals with and then catch a tango as well. I don't want to "take" all of his vals. If he is a great vals dancer, I'd like for somebody else to have a great time, too.

But, I digress from your original thought :)

:confused:I noticed that the ballroom custom is to dance ONE dance and change partners. Even if the dance was fantastic, dancers don't seem to consider dancing a second dance with the same partner....

The principle is that it takes a few dances to find out if the man can lead and the woman can follow. It takes a few dances to get acclimated to each other.

But in ballroom, you only have ONE dance to acclimate. Would it be so bad to play 2 consecutive foxtrots, 2 consecutive waltzs, etc?

Michael
I danced Argentine Tango- - with the Argentines

No it would not be a bad thing, not at all. I think it is a great idea. I do this a lot myself, actually, and have noticed some gentlemen seem surprised when I ask them to dance again. Though, generally I will ask them, "I want to dance again. You haven't promised this dance to somebody else, have you?"

I think one reason why people cut out after one dance is because there is a broad range of dances. Waltz, Foxtrot, Tango, V Waltz, Rumba, Bolero, Cha, EC Swing, WC Swing *pauses to take another breath* Quickstep, Samba, Argentine Tango, Country Two-Step... etc. Oftentimes people are familiar with the venue and know that there will be one precious Samba for the entire evening. So they come there sometimes promising each other at the door to grab each other for the Samba. Which also brings on another point - Because there are so many different dances, you have different dancers with different strengths. When a tango of any kind comes on, I am always on the floor. When a C2step comes on I am... generally, not. :) I have my eye on particular WC dancers and will make sure to get in one dance with them, but won't "hog" them for the entire evening so that others may have fun, too. If I dance a WC with them and a Cha follows, I'll also dance the Cha with them. But, if I danced WC with the good WC dancer earlier that evening and we've just completed a Cha, if another WC comes on I'll break it off.

Another reason why I think people cut out after one dance is because oftentimes there will an uneven number of ladies and gentlemen. Sometimes we have many ladies, and othertimes we have many gentlemen. It is on these evenings dancers make a special point to circulate.

Every other social at our studio played the music as you asked intentionally. One week we would have rotating sngle dances. The following week we would play 2 of everything excluding such as Paso and Vienesse, etc. This allowed dancers to remain w/ a partcualr partner if they wushed, or to enjoy a chosen rhythm w/ more than one partner.

This idea sounds do-able. I'm going to discuss further with you. :)
 

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