Apilado

[Subliminal]

Ok. So now that I've had an actual class on the subject, I have one thing to say:

If the subject ever comes up again, us leaders should shut our darned mouths and listen to the followers. I've come to the conclusion that leader technique is entirely dependent on size, and with a smaller follower and big leader there's almost no difference. If you have good salon/open technique, you'll feel where she is and where she can move and it will just restrict what steps you can lead.

Sheesh. Here I thought it was some huge difference. I can get almost the same connection from a follower who has really good technique in close-non-apilado.

Now I'm sure that for the followers on the other hand there's quite a big difference in how you move.

 

[Peaches]

Ok. So now that I've had an actual class on the subject, I have one thing to say:

If the subject ever comes up again, us leaders should shut our darned mouths and listen to the followers. I've come to the conclusion that leader technique is entirely dependent on size, and with a smaller follower and big leader there's almost no difference. If you have good salon/open technique, you'll feel where she is and where she can move and it will just restrict what steps you can lead.

Sheesh. Here I thought it was some huge difference. I can get almost the same connection from a follower who has really good technique in close-non-apilado.

Now I'm sure that for the followers on the other hand there's quite a big difference in how you move.

Good god almighty! We women have been saying for EONS that we're right, and if you all would just shut up and listen/do what we say, you'd realize just how right we were all along! (And, as usual, we can say it until we're blue in the face, and it will never get through until either men "figure it out for themselves" or another man tells them the exact same thing.) LOL. Some things never change.

Yeah. The different styles are not really separate IMO, so much as different points along a continuum. Apilado, milonguero, salon, nuevo...just degrees of variation, but mostly all the same.

 

[Ampster]

My take on this post (click on the links):

• Listen to your followers
  
• Adapt your style to benefit your partner
  
• It's all about her

 

[borisvian13]

...Yeah. The different styles are not really separate IMO, so much as different points along a continuum...

Exactly. That's what I've always been saying.

That's the reason why many prominent dancers when asked say there are no styles in tango. It's not that they reject the obvious fact that there are different aesthetics in tango. It is because they feel that there is a common tango technique which should be disseminated and all this talk about styles outside BA is frequently used as an excuse to practice (and even teach) deviations from this common proper technique.

 

[Mario7]

I get that you are a male...where and with whom did you take the class? Who taught it? thks, I think that all classes are not the same.

 

[bordertangoman]

Good god almighty! We women have been saying for EONS that we're right, and if you all would just shut up and listen/do what we say, you'd realize just how right we were all along! (And, as usual, we can say it until we're blue in the face, and it will never get through until either men "figure it out for themselves" or another man tells them the exact same thing.) LOL. Some things never change.

Yeah. The different styles are not really separate IMO, so much as different points along a continuum. Apilado, milonguero, salon, nuevo...just degrees of variation, but mostly all the same.

:notworth:

:lol:

 

[JohnEm]

Ok. So now that I've had an actual class on the subject, I have one thing to say:

If the subject ever comes up again, us leaders should shut our darned mouths and listen to the followers. I've come to the conclusion that leader technique is entirely dependent on size, and with a smaller follower and big leader there's almost no difference. If you have good salon/open technique, you'll feel where she is and where she can move and it will just restrict what steps you can lead.

Sheesh. Here I thought it was some huge difference. I can get almost the same connection from a follower who has really good technique in close-non-apilado.

Sheesh. You've had one class and now you know it all?
And even enough to tell everyone else with a different opinion
that they should all shut up!
Let's close the forum now as there's obviously nothing to talk
about and nothing to learn.

Now I'm sure that for the followers on the other hand there's quite a big difference in how you move.

Oh! So you think followers move differently and yet you don't.
I think you should think again.

And perhaps find different teachers or a different way of learning.
If of course you are actually open to learning and developing at all.

 

[Subliminal]

I was joking. I know sometimes for the humor impaired it's hard to tell.

 

[JohnEm]

I was joking. I know sometimes for the humor impaired it's hard to tell.

I'm relieved for your sake - not sure about the others!

Mind you, your post isn't exactly an example of humorous writing.
Or is this just a ruse to disown a hastily written, ill-considered opinion?

 

[Mario7]

Sheesh. Here I thought it was some huge difference. I can get almost the same connection from a follower who has really good technique in close-non-apilado..

Almost the same connection is like almost pregnant....
So, after lots of anti-close embrace posts, you finally take a class in it to find out what it's all about..and bingo a 'conclusion' is reached that it's no big deal.. well, that's not the consenses in Buenos Aires. I'll go with their vote.:notworth:
the question is: just what is your close non apilado like?

 

[bordertangoman]

Almost the same connection is like almost pregnant....
?

well getting preganant is hardly an art form....not that I see the point of your metaphor

the question is: just what is your close non apilado like?

if you stop to figure out whether your dancing close/AP/non-close then its probably not AT;
the pint as Peaches has made and many BsAs dancers its all salon

 

[Subliminal]

Mind you, your post isn't exactly an example of humorous writing.
Or is this just a ruse to disown a hastily written, ill-considered opinion?

Much like apilado, humor is neither a 1 or a 0.

My post was certainly hastily written, as it was from my phone. However, your assumption that I care enough about what you think to change my opinion is quite false.

 

[JohnEm]

Much like apilado, humor is neither a 1 or a 0.

Now you are being far too smug . . .

My post was certainly hastily written, as it was from my phone. However, your assumption that I care enough about what you think to change my opinion is quite false.

No assumptions being made here about what you care about.
Whatever was the point of your thread is now confused
to the point of pointlessness.

To change your opinion, first you must have an opinion.

 

[Zoopsia59]

 

[Peaches]

*plonk* and *plonk*

Shoulda done that a while ago...