bordertangoman
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had one of my loveliest dances with a an Argentine VU tanguera..now I'm told she's a mirage!
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had one of my loveliest dances with a an Argentine VU tanguera..now I'm told she's a mirage!
I'll look and will start one, if I can't find one. In spite of (or perhaps because of) the generally argumentative (usually in a good way) nature of this forum, I am really ... started to say intrigued, but seduced is probably a better word ... by tango. I need to find out more.
newbie
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To make it crystal clear, I heard Carlos (from Carlos & Rosa) explain in a lecture about tango styles that there is no VU style. It closes the matters, unless you have heard a higher tango authority explain the opposite. And you haven't, have you? And to be crystal-clear again, your second-rates jokes aren't valid arguments. "plenty of people" are wrong in this case, and I would suggest you just admit you were wrong too.
I don't accept Carlos & Rosa as having any general authority in relation to anything. Tango is not that dance. My tango is mine, and yours is yours. They no doubt have their own too, and those people who live and dance in VU have their own. Just as dialects change from one side of a city to another, I'd be very suprised, indeed, if this wasn't equally true of the styles of dancing.
True, VU is a marketing label as well as a way of dancing, but I recognise it when I see it: which is odd for something that doesn't exist.
bordertangoman
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VU is rapidly becoming like Schroedingers Cat. it might be alive or dead or both bt you dont know until you dance it or see someone else dance it...
Dave Bailey
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Whether it "exists" or not, it was clearly used mainly as a marketing term to hype up teachers around 2009-2010 in the London area. And the reason I know this was mainly hype is because it's now out of fashion - no-one's advertising it any more.
Whilst I suspect there are a set of loose conventions which can be defined as VU style, I honestly couldn't be bothered to worry about it. Because it's not important.
How about first-rate jokes?
bordertangoman
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Whether it "exists" or not, it was clearly used mainly as a marketing term to hype up teachers around 2009-2010 in the London area. And the reason I know this was mainly hype is because it's now out of fashion - no-one's advertising it any more.
Whilst I suspect there are a set of loose conventions which can be defined as VU style, I honestly couldn't be bothered to worry about it. Because it's not important.
How about first-rate jokes?
also in Brum, goodness they needed it.
I agree, not worth worrying about it.
all your jokes are first rate..but there are always hecklers..
You can pretend the name doesn't exist all you want. It doesn't change the fact that people use it often, whether you like it or not. That's how new words/terms are created. Someone coins the term and people start using it. Neither you, (nor Carlos & Rosa) can control that.
This same (and IMO silly) argument applies to other things/names as well. I've heard people say the ocho cortado was named wrong, I've heard the "change of direction" or "change of front" is named wrong (with some people now calling it alterations).
VU style has a meaning. Your attempts to define terminology are no more successful than Jan's attempts to do so.
Well, I'm glad that's finally cleared up... crystally..
(does that mean it's fragile, priceless, or just reflects a lot of colors when light hits it?)
You heard him folks... not only is there no VU style, all those plenty people willing to discuss it are WRONG to do so, so shut up.
No discussing of VU anymore and that's final.
(hey, it's not my fault... blame Carlos and Rosa... I don't know who they are, but clearly I'm supposed to listen to them, but I'd rather make 4th rate jokes)
bordertangoman
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I know why - here's a quote from Horacio Godoy on
VU......
", it's about the musicality and the quality of the movement. It's about a wealth of knowledge so subtle and complex that for the ordinary eye is imperceptible. "
Yes - though it's a very old quote now, over 10 years ago.
And on the topic of VU and Carlos & Rosa Perez, here is an extract
of an advert for their teaching in London last year:
http://www.salsafriends.com/dance-c...-rosa-perez-carablanca-friday-29-october.html
There are other references to VU and Los Perez, this is just the first I found.
In many ways I don't disagree with their claim that VU didn't exist (it's just
their dance), but marketing here and in BsAs now says otherwise and also
because of wide teaching it has been established as a recognisable style.
True, and that quote is from an interview done in 1999, well before the marketing hype era of a couple years ago (at least according to some of the prior posts).
Here's another quote from that same article:
Naveira himself affirms: "a single person cannot be determining in the evolution of the dance. That's been happening from the beginning of the tango, and without stop, always because of a conjunction of factors."
http://www.neymelo.com/tangostyles.htm
Thanks... I googled Carlos and Rosa because I thought I knew the names, but the results came back with an entirely different Carlos and Rosa that I'd never heard of, so I figured I was wrong.
I've talked to some Argentines who say the style should have been named after Carlos and Rosa (of course they agreed that the style exists). Some also say that the style existed long before anyone gave it a name. While others say that style was named after the region, and other neighborhoods had their own styles, like Almagro style (Susana Miller called it Milonguero style), but the ease of traveling blurred things, and now many of the regional styles have been consolidated.
Who knows what the truth is, but these are some of the things I have been told.